[Bonetools] antler whistles?

[Mikolaj Lisowski]

I agree that people not familiar with cladistics encountering term
caprines may think only about goats, not sheep. However, I think they won't
be familiar with terms *Ovis *nor *Capra, *thus 'ovicaprids' will sound new
to him as well. He will proceed to google the term and won't (probably)
even find the reasonable definition. For this kind of reader, I feel, term
'sheep/goat' would be presumably more informative. For other people, those
familiar with cladistics, 'ovicaprids' may sound misinfomative - it's
designed to sound like a scientific name of a family, when it's not. It's a
bit of an informal term, a play on words, which will mislead readers who
don't know the reason for using it. Also, I believe few biologists not
familiar with zooarchaeology will accept this term and not assume we, as
zooarchaeologists, skived off from too many zoology classes, if I may put
it this way.

Best wishes

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On 13 February 2016 at 21:55, Salima Ikram <salimaikram at gmail.com> wrote:

> True that they should be called caprines, but for the lay reader could one
> not use the term ovicaprine not as a biological term, but as more of a
> descriptive noun?
> sheep are always getting sidelined.
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> On 13 Feb 2016, at 22:42, Mikolaj Lisowski <mlisowski1 at sheffield.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues
>
> Moreover, the term 'ovicaprine' itself is biologically incorrect, since
> both sheep and goats are part of a sub-family *caprinae, *and should be
> called caprines.
>
> Best wishes
>
> *Mikolaj Lisowski*
> *PhD Candidate*
> *Department of Archaeology*
> *University of Sheffield*
>
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> On 12 February 2016 at 18:01, Alice Choyke <choyke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Francoois,
>>     Not only does 'ovicaprine' antler sound strange it is a biological
>> impossibility! Or these are the strangest sheep and goats that ever lived.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alice
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleague,
>>>
>>> "oovicaprin antlers" sounds strange...
>>> (oo- = egg, and so forth)
>>>
>>> Dis you try to produce sound with ?
>>>
>>> I have at home.. j'ai à la maison une poignée d'ombrelle très XIXe
>>> siècle taillée dans une dague de cerf (le premier "bois", simple), dont la
>>> partie proximale est travaillée en sifflet comme cela.
>>>
>>> Bien à vous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 01/01/2016 04:53, Sonja Vukovic a écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>>
>>> Happy New year.
>>>
>>> Sonja.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Sonja Vukovic <sonja.vukovic at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> By analyzing animal bones from the Roman city Viminacium I came across
>>>> several interesting antler objects that my colleague and I argue that were
>>>> used as whistles. While I was searching through papers, I have found barely
>>>> several similar objects (and majority of them were not determined as being
>>>> whistles). I have also contacted some of you for an advice on the subject.
>>>> So, I am now asking entire group - do you know any published similar antler
>>>> whistles (not only Roman)?! I am attaching a photo of one of them.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> best wishes, Marry Christmas & Happy New Year,
>>>>
>>>> Sonja.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sonja Vukovic-Bogdanovic
>>>> Laboratory for bioarchaeology
>>>> Faculty of Philosophy
>>>> University of Belgrade
>>>> Serbia
>>>> www.bioarchlab.org
>>>>
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