<div dir="ltr"><div>I agree that people not familiar with cladistics encountering term caprines may think only about goats, not sheep. However, I think they won't be familiar with terms <i>Ovis </i>nor <i>Capra, </i>thus 'ovicaprids' will sound new to him as well. He will proceed to google the term and won't (probably) even find the reasonable definition. For this kind of reader, I feel, term 'sheep/goat' would be presumably more informative. For other people, those familiar with cladistics, 'ovicaprids' may sound misinfomative - it's designed to sound like a scientific name of a family, when it's not. It's a bit of an informal term, a play on words, which will mislead readers who don't know the reason for using it. Also, I believe few biologists not familiar with zooarchaeology will accept this term and not assume we, as zooarchaeologists, skived off from too many zoology classes, if I may put it this way.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font color="#000000"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><i>Mikolaj Lisowski</i></b></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></span></font></p><div><i><font color="#000000" size="1">PhD Candidate</font></i></div><div><i><font color="#000000" size="1">Department of Archaeology</font></i></div><div><i><font color="#000000" size="1">University of Sheffield</font></i></div><div><i><font color="#000000" size="1">Northgate House<br>West Street<br></font></i></div><div><i><font color="#000000" size="1">Sheffield </font></i><i><font size="1"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">S1 4ET, </font></span><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">UK</font></span></font></i></div><div><i><font size="1"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">Other address: </font></span></font></i><i style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)"><font size="1"><a href="mailto:Mikolaj.Lisowski@gmail.com" target="_blank">Mikolaj.Lisowski@gmail.com</a></font></span></span></i></div><div><a href="http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/people/phds/mikolaj-lisowski" target="_blank"><font size="1"><i>My academic homepage</i></font></a></div><div><i><font size="1"><a href="https://sheffield.academia.edu/MikLisowski" target="_blank">My profile on Academia.edu</a></font></i></div><div><i><font size="1"><font color="#000000">Find out about our</font><font color="#1155cc"> </font><a href="http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/zooarchaeology-lab/short-course" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Zooarchaeology Short Course</a></font></i></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 February 2016 at 21:55, Salima Ikram <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salimaikram@gmail.com" target="_blank">salimaikram@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">True that they should be called caprines, but for the lay reader could one not use the term ovicaprine not as a biological term, but as more of a descriptive noun?<div>sheep are always getting sidelined.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 13 Feb 2016, at 22:42, Mikolaj Lisowski <<a href="mailto:mlisowski1@sheffield.ac.uk" target="_blank">mlisowski1@sheffield.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear colleagues</div><div><br></div><div>Moreover, the term 'ovicaprine' itself is biologically incorrect, since both sheep and goats are part of a sub-family <i>caprinae, </i>and should be called caprines. </div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><i>Mikolaj Lisowski</i></b></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></span></font></p><div><i><font size="1">PhD Candidate</font></i></div><div><i><font size="1">Department of Archaeology</font></i></div><div><i><font size="1">University of Sheffield</font></i></div><div><i><font size="1">Northgate House<br>West Street<br></font></i></div><div><i><font size="1">Sheffield </font></i><i><font size="1"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font>S1 4ET, </font></span><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font>UK</font></span></font></i></div><div><i><font size="1"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Other address: </span></font></i><i style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)"><font size="1"><a href="mailto:Mikolaj.Lisowski@gmail.com" target="_blank">Mikolaj.Lisowski@gmail.com</a></font></span></span></i></div><div><a href="http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/people/phds/mikolaj-lisowski" target="_blank"><font size="1"><i>My academic homepage</i></font></a></div><div><i><font size="1"><a href="https://sheffield.academia.edu/MikLisowski" target="_blank">My profile on Academia.edu</a></font></i></div><div><i><font size="1"><font>Find out about our</font><font color="#1155cc"> </font><a href="http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/zooarchaeology-lab/short-course" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Zooarchaeology Short Course</a></font></i></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 February 2016 at 18:01, Alice Choyke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:choyke@gmail.com" target="_blank">choyke@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Francoois,<div> Not only does 'ovicaprine' antler sound strange it is a biological impossibility! Or these are the strangest sheep and goats that ever lived.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Alice</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, François Poplin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:poplin@mnhn.fr" target="_blank">poplin@mnhn.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear colleague,<br>
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"oovicaprin antlers" sounds strange...<br>
(oo- = egg, and so forth)<br>
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Dis you try to produce sound with ?<br>
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I have at home.. j'ai à la maison une poignée d'ombrelle très XIXe
siècle taillée dans une dague de cerf (le premier "bois", simple),
dont la partie proximale est travaillée en sifflet comme cela.<br>
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Bien à vous.<div><div><br>
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Le 01/01/2016 04:53, Sonja Vukovic a écrit :<br>
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<div>Happy New year.</div>
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<div>By analyzing animal bones from the Roman city
Viminacium I came across several interesting antler
objects that my colleague and I argue that were used as
whistles. While I was searching through papers, I have
found barely several similar objects (and majority of
them were not determined as being whistles). I have also
contacted some of you for an advice on the subject. So,
I am now asking entire group - do you know any published
similar antler whistles (not only Roman)?! I am
attaching a photo of one of them. </div>
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<div>Thank you,</div>
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<div>best wishes, Marry Christmas & Happy New Year,</div>
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