[Bonetools] identification of raw material

Tue Jul 8 15:49:11 CEST 2014

Generally speaking, the (outer) skeleton of invertebrates is rather hard 
(like shell, limestone) and bone lighter, softer. When you test them 
with a nail, you feel the the first will bite the nail, an that second 
will be rather bited, stripped by the nail. The firs sounds "clear, 
heigh" on a glass table, and the second "dim, low" (a difference you get 
between heigh and low heated/cooked ceramic). Have you any impression of 
that kind ?

AND
I come back to the first three pictures. At a first glimpse, I had the 
impression that the "hole/central channel" had been drilled - but no : 
on views 1 and 2, I see as a wall, a sort of lining, more or less as 
outside (view 3). I have to consider a naturaly holowed cylinder, a tube 
or a muff deposited on a (desapeared/decayed) rod - but the lines of 
picture 2 dont agree... Has the object been scraped (nowadays) on the 
left part (fig. 2) so as the lines are more clear ? Was it easy to 
scrape...? ( go back to the beginning).

It lets me remember of fish hyperostosis, of the filling of swordfish 
rostrum/bill...
Maybe a big part of lamellary fish bone growing and taking in an artery 
(or some other "ductus")...

[as far as I know, there is no pipe-like penis bone...]

Is the outer surface the same all around the thing  ? Would you say that 
the outer is carved/cut by man ?

!!!

Le 08/07/2014 14:14, marinaevora at sapo.pt a écrit :
>
> Dear François and Paul,
>
> The site is close to the Atlantic ocean, more or less 3km currently. 
> And during the UP it wouldn't be very far from the ocean either.
> Thank you for the images you sent Paul.
>
> best
> Marina
>
> Quoting François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr <mailto:poplin at mnhn.fr>>:
>
>> I don't see figure of repeated layering as in the image I was 
>> speaking of previously.
>> That king of layering in "spongy bone" can be (roughly) observed in 
>> ossifed costo-sternebral cartilages. But...
>>
>> To All,
>>
>>> Looks like it did not work will need to add each photo as an 
>>> attachment not part of text from a word doc.
>>> Hope this works,
>>> Paul Stokes
>>>
>>> On Monday, 7 July 2014, 21:08, Paul Stokes 
>>> <escoffier1951 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> To All,
>>> I've just spent 15mins to trim, soak in boiling water 5mins to 
>>> soften and cut a slice of antler found laying about the house
>>> These are the views of slice of antler cut with a saw with 7 teeth 
>>> per cm. x200 digital microscope
>>>  The attached is photograph of the slice and the piece of antler it 
>>> was cut from
>>> Regards
>>> Paul Stokes
>>> On Monday, 7 July 2014, 14:03, Sonia O'Connor 
>>> <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely not cuttlefish bone/shell. I attach a photomicrograph of 
>>> cuttlefish shell.
>>> All the best,
>>> Sonia
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, 
>>> University of York
>>> Post-doctoral Researcher
>>> Archaeological Sciences
>>> Division of AGES,
>>> University of Bradford
>>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>> tel 01274 23 6498
>>> *From:* Bonetools [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On 
>>> Behalf Of* François Poplin
>>> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 12:53
>>> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the 
>>> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] identification of raw material
>>> Is it far away from the ocean ? can you tell wheher it's rather 
>>> calcium carbonate than phosphate ? The second picture here lets me 
>>> remember of some invertebrate constructions. Unfortunatley, I have 
>>> even not a simple broken cuttle-fish "bone"/shell to go on that way 
>>> of investigation.
>>>
>>> Le 04/07/2014 16:12, marinaevora at sapo.pt 
>>> <mailto:marinaevora at sapo.pt> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>     Dear all,
>>>
>>>     We found this round artifact in an upper paleolithic site. I
>>>     would like to hear your opinions about the identification of the
>>>     raw material. The images were taken with a binocular microscope.
>>>     Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Marina Évora
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>> François POPLIN
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>> Responsable du Séminaire d'Anthropozoologie
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