[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

[François Poplin]

Dear S. O'Connor,

what else in the same context ? Are they not for instance tiny pieces 
"mushrom-like", with a more or less hemisheric hat/head and a 
cylindrical foot  the same diameter than holes ?

Le 05/03/2013 19:36, SA O'Connor a écrit :
> Thanks Ian.  I've forwarded this to Erik too.
>
> Sonia
>
> Quoting "trzaska at lineone.net" <trzaska at lineone.net>:
>
>> Hello Etan,
>>
>> Many thanks for that suggestion. I would say that there is nothing in 
>> the way of
>> textile equipment to match these things, and a belt divider is more 
>> likely in my opinion. We have
>> 5th to 6th-century antler or bone belt strengtheners as well from 
>> cemetery contexts, but they are
>> not perforated in this way,
>> Ian Riddler
>>
>>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: etana at eretzmuseum.org.il
>>
>>> Date: 05/03/2013 5:42
>>> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for 
>>> thestudy of
>>
>>>     object
>>>     and waste of bone, antler. ivory and 
>>> horn."<bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
>>> Subj: Re:
>> [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Perhaps the object was what we
>> call "belt divider" (which could also used to divide other groups of 
>> thin leather stripes or
>> threads), or a weaving tablet? Cf.:
>>>
>>> Ayalon, E. 2005. The Assemblage of Bone and Ivory Artifacts
>> from Caesarea Maritima, Israel 1st-13th Centuries CE (BAR IS 1457). 
>> Oxford:30, No. 89, Fig. 8:89.
>>>
>>
>>> Etan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
>>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu]
>> On Behalf Of S O'Connor
>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:19 PM
>>> To: 'Mailing list for archaeologists
>> of the research group for the study ofobject and waste of 
>> bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
>>> Subject:
>> Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Etan, Boris and Maja,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Thanks for your comments I will pass your comments on to Erik.  I 
>>> have not seen the object myself.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting
>> Fellow, University of York
>>>
>>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>>
>>> Archaeological Sciences
>>>
>>> Division
>> of AGES,
>>>
>>> University of Bradford
>>>
>>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel 01274 23
>> 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>>
>>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Etan Ayalon
>>> Sent: 04 March 2013 11:23
>>
>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for 
>>> thestudy of object and waste of
>> bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> By the way, on October 30, 2012 Putelat Oliviers sent a mail about a 
>>> piece of bone with a rather
>> similar row of holes, found in an Iron Age salt works in Lorrain, 
>> France. You, Sonia, had a
>> suggestion for its use.
>>>
>>> Etan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-
>> bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of S O'Connor
>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:31 PM
>>> To:
>> 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study 
>> ofobject and waste of bone,
>> antler. ivory and horn.'
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I
>> will ask Erik if he can be any more precise about the date.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor
>> PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York
>>>
>>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>>
>>
>>> Archaeological Sciences
>>>
>>> Division of AGES,
>>>
>>> University of Bradford
>>>
>>> Bradford, West
>> Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>>
>>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
>>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of
>> Etan Ayalon
>>> Sent: 03 March 2013 06:22
>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group
>> for thestudy of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW:
>> Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the date of this object?
>>>
>>> Etan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Selena
>> Vitezovic
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:50 PM
>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the
>> research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory 
>> and horn.
>>> Subject: Re:
>> [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> There is a paper
>> from M. Meneses Fernandez on similar objects (although from 
>> Neolithic), with experimental results,
>> in the volume "Trace et fonction: les gestes retrouvés", eds. P. 
>> Anderson, S. Beyries, M. Otte and
>> H, Plisson.
>>>
>>> best regards, Selena
>>>
>>> On 1 March 2013 17:45, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.
>> uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for these observations François, I will pass them on to Erik.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All
>> the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow,
>> University of York
>>>
>>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>>
>>> Archaeological Sciences
>>>
>>> Division of
>> AGES,
>>>
>>> University of Bradford
>>>
>>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel 01274 23
>> 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>>
>>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of François Poplin
>>> Sent: 01 March 2013 14:33
>>
>>> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, the worn of the "entire broken" end is more moticeable than 
>>> the wear of the "last"
>> (complete) hole (it's clear that another, a "more last" hole was 
>> there, and necessarily - the thing
>> won't break between to holes). The wear of the inter-hole may be due 
>> to a leather strap/band rather
>> than to a thread, for the worn spreads widely in the hole (and not 
>> causing an ogival bay). That
>> makes me think of an attachment for hanging the piece or, rather, for 
>> attaching something to it, as
>> in a "porte clés". Again, the whole worn of that end is the more 
>> important thing; maybe was the
>> break rasped first in orther to make it "flat", to get rid of the 
>> irregularity.
>>>
>>> the repeated
>> drill-holes (made with the same drill, I suppose) did not receive 
>> moving thread, string, as they
>> show no worn - but, for the same rason, they coud have received firm 
>> bars of wood, for instance, as
>> in a ladder. I don't dare to thing that this was just an exercise of 
>> drilling... : after the break,
>> maybe, not before; and the hole are too regurlarly distrbuited (in 
>> line and in equidistance)
>>>
>>
>>> Inbetween, the clok has run.. I have to stop.
>>>
>>> Your's.
>>>
>>> Le 01/03/2013 13:37, S O'Connor a
>> écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am forwarding on this enquiry from a student at the University of
>> Durham.  I have objects like this, but not so thick, in wood and 
>> plastic on which I store my
>> different coloured threads when I am working on an embroidery 
>> project.  However the pattern of wear
>> does not really support this use.  Perhaps the wear and polish at the 
>> broken end suggests a reuse
>> of something originally made for an entirely different purpose.  If 
>> you have any suggestions or
>> parallels, please let me know and I will forward them on to Erik.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Sonia
>>>
>>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, 
>>> University of York
>>>
>>> Post-
>> doctoral Research Fellow
>>>
>>> Archaeological Sciences
>>>
>>> Division of AGES,
>>>
>>> University of
>> Bradford
>>>
>>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>>
>>
>>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Dr. O'Connor,
>>>
>>> My name is Erik Farrell; I am a student in
>> the MA Artefact Conservation programme at Durham university, and am 
>> currently working on
>> identifying a bone object for the Durham Oriental Museum. I suspect 
>> it to be either a tool
>> associated with textile manufacture, or potentially an oddly shaped 
>> spacer bead, but because of the
>> poor survival rate of textile tools am having a difficult time 
>> finding any comparable examples. I
>> contacted Dr. Mary Brooks here at Durham, and she recommended I 
>> contact you as someone with
>> expertise in both bone artefacts and textiles.
>>>
>>> The object is made of bone; I am working on
>> getting a species identification, but have managed to rule out ivory. 
>> It is from Egypt, but it is
>> from an older collection, so I do not yet have a date range or 
>> cultural period.
>>>
>>> You can see in
>> the photos that the broken end is tapered on the surviving piece, and 
>> looks like it would have come
>> to a point or a rounded point. There are holes along the entire 
>> length, but only the hole at the
>> complete end shows wear; it looks like it has been worn by a thread 
>> passing through the hole,
>> wrapped around the back end of the object. It is this wear pattern 
>> that makes me think textile
>> manufacture may be an option. I don't really know what to make of the 
>> lack of comparable wear in
>> the other holes.
>>>
>>> I have attached the artefact photos and a scan of the archaeological 
>>> drawing to
>> this email. I am hoping your background and knowledge of bone objects 
>> and textile production may
>> give some insight on potential uses for this object. I have also 
>> included a couple photos of breaks
>> under the microscope on the chance that you might be able to give 
>> some insight into what sort of
>> bone this is, but I know that sort of identification is usually done 
>> with the object in hand. Any
>> information you can give me - even if it is just speculation on 
>> potential uses for a tool of this
>> size and shape - would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Erik Farrell
>>>
>>>
>>>
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