[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

[SA O'Connor]

Thanks Ian.  I've forwarded this to Erik too.

Sonia

Quoting "trzaska at lineone.net" <trzaska at lineone.net>:

> Hello Etan,
>
> Many thanks for that suggestion. I would say that there is nothing  
> in the way of
> textile equipment to match these things, and a belt divider is more  
> likely in my opinion. We have
> 5th to 6th-century antler or bone belt strengtheners as well from  
> cemetery contexts, but they are
> not perforated in this way,
> Ian Riddler
>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: etana at eretzmuseum.org.il
>
>> Date: 05/03/2013 5:42
>> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for thestudy of
>
>> 	object
>> 	and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."<bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
>> Subj: Re:
> [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Perhaps the object was what we
> call "belt divider" (which could also used to divide other groups of  
> thin leather stripes or
> threads), or a weaving tablet? Cf.:
>>
>> Ayalon, E. 2005. The Assemblage of Bone and Ivory Artifacts
> from Caesarea Maritima, Israel 1st-13th Centuries CE (BAR IS 1457).  
> Oxford:30, No. 89, Fig. 8:89.
>>
>
>> Etan
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu  
>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu]
> On Behalf Of S O'Connor
>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:19 PM
>> To: 'Mailing list for archaeologists
> of the research group for the study ofobject and waste of  
> bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
>> Subject:
> Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Etan, Boris and Maja,
>>
>>
>>
>
>> Thanks for your comments I will pass your comments on to Erik.  I  
>> have not seen the object myself.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting
> Fellow, University of York
>>
>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>
>> Archaeological Sciences
>>
>> Division
> of AGES,
>>
>> University of Bradford
>>
>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>
>>
>>
>> tel 01274 23
> 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>
>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Etan Ayalon
>> Sent: 04 March 2013 11:23
>
>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for  
>> thestudy of object and waste of
> bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>>
>
>>
>> By the way, on October 30, 2012 Putelat Oliviers sent a mail about  
>> a piece of bone with a rather
> similar row of holes, found in an Iron Age salt works in Lorrain,  
> France. You, Sonia, had a
> suggestion for its use.
>>
>> Etan
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-
> bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of S O'Connor
>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:31 PM
>> To:
> 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study  
> ofobject and waste of bone,
> antler. ivory and horn.'
>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>>
>>
>> I
> will ask Erik if he can be any more precise about the date.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Sonia O'Connor
> PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York
>>
>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>
>
>> Archaeological Sciences
>>
>> Division of AGES,
>>
>> University of Bradford
>>
>> Bradford, West
> Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>
>>
>>
>> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>
>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>
>>
>>
>
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu  
>> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of
> Etan Ayalon
>> Sent: 03 March 2013 06:22
>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group
> for thestudy of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW:
> Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the date of this object?
>>
>> Etan
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu  
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Selena
> Vitezovic
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:50 PM
>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the
> research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler.  
> ivory and horn.
>> Subject: Re:
> [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> There is a paper
> from M. Meneses Fernandez on similar objects (although from  
> Neolithic), with experimental results,
> in the volume "Trace et fonction: les gestes retrouvés", eds. P.  
> Anderson, S. Beyries, M. Otte and
> H, Plisson.
>>
>> best regards, Selena
>>
>> On 1 March 2013 17:45, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.
> uk> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for these observations François, I will pass them on to Erik.
>>
>>
>>
>> All
> the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow,
> University of York
>>
>> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>>
>> Archaeological Sciences
>>
>> Division of
> AGES,
>>
>> University of Bradford
>>
>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>
>>
>>
>> tel 01274 23
> 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>
>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of François Poplin
>> Sent: 01 March 2013 14:33
>
>> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>>
>
>>
>>
>> Indeed, the worn of the "entire broken" end is more moticeable than  
>> the wear of the "last"
> (complete) hole (it's clear that another, a "more last" hole was  
> there, and necessarily - the thing
> won't break between to holes). The wear of the inter-hole may be due  
> to a leather strap/band rather
> than to a thread, for the worn spreads widely in the hole (and not  
> causing an ogival bay). That
> makes me think of an attachment for hanging the piece or, rather,  
> for attaching something to it, as
> in a "porte clés". Again, the whole worn of that end is the more  
> important thing; maybe was the
> break rasped first in orther to make it "flat", to get rid of the  
> irregularity.
>>
>> the repeated
> drill-holes (made with the same drill, I suppose) did not receive  
> moving thread, string, as they
> show no worn - but, for the same rason, they coud have received firm  
> bars of wood, for instance, as
> in a ladder. I don't dare to thing that this was just an exercise of  
> drilling... : after the break,
> maybe, not before; and the hole are too regurlarly distrbuited (in  
> line and in equidistance)
>>
>
>> Inbetween, the clok has run.. I have to stop.
>>
>> Your's.
>>
>> Le 01/03/2013 13:37, S O'Connor a
> écrit :
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am forwarding on this enquiry from a student at the University of
> Durham.  I have objects like this, but not so thick, in wood and  
> plastic on which I store my
> different coloured threads when I am working on an embroidery  
> project.  However the pattern of wear
> does not really support this use.  Perhaps the wear and polish at  
> the broken end suggests a reuse
> of something originally made for an entirely different purpose.  If  
> you have any suggestions or
> parallels, please let me know and I will forward them on to Erik.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>
>> Sonia
>>
>> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow,  
>> University of York
>>
>> Post-
> doctoral Research Fellow
>>
>> Archaeological Sciences
>>
>> Division of AGES,
>>
>> University of
> Bradford
>>
>> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>>
>>
>>
>> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
>>
>
>> fax 01274 23 5210
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Dr. O'Connor,
>>
>> My name is Erik Farrell; I am a student in
> the MA Artefact Conservation programme at Durham university, and am  
> currently working on
> identifying a bone object for the Durham Oriental Museum. I suspect  
> it to be either a tool
> associated with textile manufacture, or potentially an oddly shaped  
> spacer bead, but because of the
> poor survival rate of textile tools am having a difficult time  
> finding any comparable examples. I
> contacted Dr. Mary Brooks here at Durham, and she recommended I  
> contact you as someone with
> expertise in both bone artefacts and textiles.
>>
>> The object is made of bone; I am working on
> getting a species identification, but have managed to rule out  
> ivory. It is from Egypt, but it is
> from an older collection, so I do not yet have a date range or  
> cultural period.
>>
>> You can see in
> the photos that the broken end is tapered on the surviving piece,  
> and looks like it would have come
> to a point or a rounded point. There are holes along the entire  
> length, but only the hole at the
> complete end shows wear; it looks like it has been worn by a thread  
> passing through the hole,
> wrapped around the back end of the object. It is this wear pattern  
> that makes me think textile
> manufacture may be an option. I don't really know what to make of  
> the lack of comparable wear in
> the other holes.
>>
>> I have attached the artefact photos and a scan of the  
>> archaeological drawing to
> this email. I am hoping your background and knowledge of bone  
> objects and textile production may
> give some insight on potential uses for this object. I have also  
> included a couple photos of breaks
> under the microscope on the chance that you might be able to give  
> some insight into what sort of
> bone this is, but I know that sort of identification is usually done  
> with the object in hand. Any
> information you can give me - even if it is just speculation on  
> potential uses for a tool of this
> size and shape - would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Erik Farrell
>>
>>
>>
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