[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

[trzaska at lineone.net]

Hello Etan,

Many thanks for that suggestion. I would say that there is nothing in the way of 
textile equipment to match these things, and a belt divider is more likely in my opinion. We have 
5th to 6th-century antler or bone belt strengtheners as well from cemetery contexts, but they are 
not perforated in this way,
Ian Riddler

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>From: etana at eretzmuseum.org.il

>Date: 05/03/2013 5:42 
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[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
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>Dear all,
>
>Perhaps the object was what we 
call "belt divider" (which could also used to divide other groups of thin leather stripes or 
threads), or a weaving tablet? Cf.:
>
>Ayalon, E. 2005. The Assemblage of Bone and Ivory Artifacts 
from Caesarea Maritima, Israel 1st-13th Centuries CE (BAR IS 1457). Oxford:30, No. 89, Fig. 8:89.
>

>Etan
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>From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] 
On Behalf Of S O'Connor
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>Dear Etan, Boris and Maja,
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>Thanks for your comments I will pass your comments on to Erik.  I have not seen the object myself.

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>All the best,
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>Sonia
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>Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting 
Fellow, University of York
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>Post-doctoral Research Fellow
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>Archaeological Sciences
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>From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
[mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Etan Ayalon
>Sent: 04 March 2013 11:23

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>By the way, on October 30, 2012 Putelat Oliviers sent a mail about a piece of bone with a rather 
similar row of holes, found in an Iron Age salt works in Lorrain, France. You, Sonia, had a 
suggestion for its use.
>
>Etan
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>From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-
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>I 
will ask Erik if he can be any more precise about the date.
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>Sonia
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>Dr Sonia O'Connor 
PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York
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>Post-doctoral Research Fellow
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>Archaeological Sciences
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>Division of AGES,  
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>University of Bradford
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Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
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>From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of 
Etan Ayalon
>Sent: 03 March 2013 06:22
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Bone object - textile manufacture?
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>What is the date of this object?
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>Etan
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>From: 
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Vitezovic
>Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:50 PM
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>Hello everyone, 
>
>There is a paper 
from M. Meneses Fernandez on similar objects (although from Neolithic), with experimental results, 
in the volume "Trace et fonction: les gestes retrouvés", eds. P. Anderson, S. Beyries, M. Otte and 
H, Plisson. 
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>best regards, Selena 
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>On 1 March 2013 17:45, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.
uk> wrote:
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>Thank you for these observations François, I will pass them on to Erik.
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>All 
the best,
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> 
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>Sonia
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>Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, 
University of York
>
>Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>
>Archaeological Sciences
>
>Division of 
AGES,  
>
>University of Bradford
>
>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
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>tel 01274 23 
6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
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>From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
[mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of François Poplin
>Sent: 01 March 2013 14:33

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>Indeed, the worn of the "entire broken" end is more moticeable than the wear of the "last" 
(complete) hole (it's clear that another, a "more last" hole was there, and necessarily - the thing 
won't break between to holes). The wear of the inter-hole may be due to a leather strap/band rather 
than to a thread, for the worn spreads widely in the hole (and not causing an ogival bay). That 
makes me think of an attachment for hanging the piece or, rather, for attaching something to it, as 
in a "porte clés". Again, the whole worn of that end is the more important thing; maybe was the 
break rasped first in orther to make it "flat", to get rid of the irregularity.
>
>the repeated 
drill-holes (made with the same drill, I suppose) did not receive moving thread, string, as they 
show no worn - but, for the same rason, they coud have received firm bars of wood, for instance, as 
in a ladder. I don't dare to thing that this was just an exercise of drilling... : after the break, 
maybe, not before; and the hole are too regurlarly distrbuited (in line and in equidistance)
>

>Inbetween, the clok has run.. I have to stop.
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>Your's.  
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>Le 01/03/2013 13:37, S O'Connor a 
écrit : 
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>Dear All,
>
> 
>
>I am forwarding on this enquiry from a student at the University of 
Durham.  I have objects like this, but not so thick, in wood and plastic on which I store my 
different coloured threads when I am working on an embroidery project.  However the pattern of wear 
does not really support this use.  Perhaps the wear and polish at the broken end suggests a reuse 
of something originally made for an entirely different purpose.  If you have any suggestions or 
parallels, please let me know and I will forward them on to Erik.
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>All the best,
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>Sonia
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>Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York
>
>Post-
doctoral Research Fellow
>
>Archaeological Sciences
>
>Division of AGES,  
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>University of 
Bradford
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>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
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>tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
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>Dear Dr. O'Connor,
>
>My name is Erik Farrell; I am a student in 
the MA Artefact Conservation programme at Durham university, and am currently working on 
identifying a bone object for the Durham Oriental Museum. I suspect it to be either a tool 
associated with textile manufacture, or potentially an oddly shaped spacer bead, but because of the 
poor survival rate of textile tools am having a difficult time finding any comparable examples. I 
contacted Dr. Mary Brooks here at Durham, and she recommended I contact you as someone with 
expertise in both bone artefacts and textiles.
>
>The object is made of bone; I am working on 
getting a species identification, but have managed to rule out ivory. It is from Egypt, but it is 
from an older collection, so I do not yet have a date range or cultural period.
>
>You can see in 
the photos that the broken end is tapered on the surviving piece, and looks like it would have come 
to a point or a rounded point. There are holes along the entire length, but only the hole at the 
complete end shows wear; it looks like it has been worn by a thread passing through the hole, 
wrapped around the back end of the object. It is this wear pattern that makes me think textile 
manufacture may be an option. I don't really know what to make of the lack of comparable wear in 
the other holes.
>
>I have attached the artefact photos and a scan of the archaeological drawing to 
this email. I am hoping your background and knowledge of bone objects and textile production may 
give some insight on potential uses for this object. I have also included a couple photos of breaks 
under the microscope on the chance that you might be able to give some insight into what sort of 
bone this is, but I know that sort of identification is usually done with the object in hand. Any 
information you can give me - even if it is just speculation on potential uses for a tool of this 
size and shape - would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thank you very much,
>
>Erik Farrell
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