[Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

Tue Mar 5 07:25:38 CET 2013

Dear Alice,

I have to correct myself, I wrote that the finds are from Cave Vindija,
when instead they are from the cave Velika pećina (which is very close to
Vindija).

Like I said, the stratum containing arrows is dated in the copper/early
bronze age by Malez (Dimitrijević speaks of the Retz Gajary culture). That
is the best we can get for now, since unfortunately the site was poorley
excavated.

I will look into it more however, and let you know about it when have more
info.

About the Hungarian finds, were they published?

2013/3/5 Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>

> Dear all,****
>
> Perhaps the object was what we call "belt divider" (which could also used
> to divide other groups of thin leather stripes or threads), or a weaving
> tablet? Cf.:****
>
> Ayalon, E. 2005. *The Assemblage of Bone and Ivory Artifacts from
> Caesarea Maritima, Israel 1st-13th Centuries CE *(BAR IS 1457).
> Oxford:30, No. 89, Fig. 8:89.****
>
> Etan****
>
> ** **
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *S O'Connor
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2013 2:19 PM
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> *To:* 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
> study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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> Dear Etan, Boris and Maja,****
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> ** **
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> Thanks for your comments I will pass your comments on to Erik.  I have not
> seen the object myself.****
>
> ** **
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> All the best,****
>
> ** **
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> Sonia****
>
> ** **
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> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
> of York****
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> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
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> Archaeological Sciences****
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> Division of AGES,  ****
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> University of Bradford****
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> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK****
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *Etan Ayalon
>
> *Sent:* 04 March 2013 11:23
> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for thestudy
> of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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> By the way, on October 30, 2012 Putelat Oliviers sent a mail about a piece
> of bone with a rather similar row of holes, found in an Iron Age salt works
> in Lorrain, France. You, Sonia, had a suggestion for its use.****
>
> Etan****
>
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>
> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [
> mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu<bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu>]
> *On Behalf Of *S O'Connor
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2013 12:31 PM
> *To:* 'Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
> study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.'
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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> ** **
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> I will ask Erik if he can be any more precise about the date.****
>
> ** **
>
> Sonia****
>
> ** **
>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
> of York****
>
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
>
> Archaeological Sciences****
>
> Division of AGES,  ****
>
> University of Bradford****
>
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK****
>
> ** **
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> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)****
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> fax 01274 23 5210****
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *Etan Ayalon
> *Sent:* 03 March 2013 06:22
> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for thestudy
> of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
>
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> What is the date of this object?****
>
> Etan****
>
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [
> mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu<bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu>]
> *On Behalf Of *Selena Vitezovic
> *Sent:* Friday, March 01, 2013 6:50 PM
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> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
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> Hello everyone,
>
> There is a paper from M. Meneses Fernandez on similar objects (although
> from Neolithic), with experimental results, in the volume "Trace et
> fonction: les gestes retrouvés", eds. P. Anderson, S. Beyries, M. Otte and
> H, Plisson.
>
> best regards, Selena ****
>
> On 1 March 2013 17:45, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Thank you for these observations François, I will pass them on to Erik.***
> *
>
>  ****
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> All the best,****
>
>  ****
>
> Sonia****
>
>  ****
>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
> of York****
>
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
>
> Archaeological Sciences****
>
> Division of AGES,  ****
>
> University of Bradford****
>
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK****
>
>  ****
>
> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)****
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> fax 01274 23 5210****
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>  ****
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *François Poplin
> *Sent:* 01 March 2013 14:33
> *To:* bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?****
>
>  ****
>
> Indeed, the worn of the "entire broken" end is more moticeable than the
> wear of the "last" (complete) hole (it's clear that another, a "more last"
> hole was there, and necessarily - the thing won't break between to holes).
> The wear of the inter-hole may be due to a leather strap/band rather than
> to a thread, for the worn spreads widely in the hole (and not causing an
> ogival bay). That makes me think of an attachment for hanging the piece or,
> rather, for attaching something to it, as in a "porte clés". Again, the
> whole worn of that end is the more important thing; maybe was the break
> rasped first in orther to make it "flat", to get rid of the irregularity.
>
> the repeated drill-holes (made with the same drill, I suppose) did not
> receive moving thread, string, as they show no worn - but, for the same
> rason, they coud have received firm bars of wood, for instance, as in a
> ladder. I don't dare to thing that this was just an exercise of drilling...
> : after the break, maybe, not before; and the hole are too regurlarly
> distrbuited (in line and in equidistance)
>
> Inbetween, the clok has run.. I have to stop.
>
> Your's.
>
> Le 01/03/2013 13:37, S O'Connor a écrit : ****
>
> Dear All,****
>
>  ****
>
> I am forwarding on this enquiry from a student at the University of
> Durham.  I have objects like this, but not so thick, in wood and plastic on
> which I store my different coloured threads when I am working on an
> embroidery project.  However the pattern of wear does not really support
> this use.  Perhaps the wear and polish at the broken end suggests a reuse
> of something originally made for an entirely different purpose.  If you
> have any suggestions or parallels, please let me know and I will forward
> them on to Erik.****
>
>  ****
>
> All the best,****
>
>  ****
>
> Sonia****
>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University
> of York****
>
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow****
>
> Archaeological Sciences****
>
> Division of AGES,  ****
>
> University of Bradford****
>
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK****
>
>  ****
>
> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)****
>
> fax 01274 23 5210****
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>  ****
>
>  ****
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> Dear Dr. O'Connor,
>
> My name is Erik Farrell; I am a student in the MA Artefact Conservation
> programme at Durham university, and am currently working on identifying a
> bone object for the Durham Oriental Museum. I suspect it to be either a
> tool associated with textile manufacture, or potentially an oddly shaped
> spacer bead, but because of the poor survival rate of textile tools am
> having a difficult time finding any comparable examples. I contacted Dr.
> Mary Brooks here at Durham, and she recommended I contact you as someone
> with expertise in both bone artefacts and textiles.
>
> The object is made of bone; I am working on getting a species
> identification, but have managed to rule out ivory. It is from Egypt, but
> it is from an older collection, so I do not yet have a date range or
> cultural period.
>
> You can see in the photos that the broken end is tapered on the surviving
> piece, and looks like it would have come to a point or a rounded point.
> There are holes along the entire length, but only the hole at the complete
> end shows wear; it looks like it has been worn by a thread passing through
> the hole, wrapped around the back end of the object. It is this wear
> pattern that makes me think textile manufacture may be an option. I don't
> really know what to make of the lack of comparable wear in the other holes.
>
> I have attached the artefact photos and a scan of the archaeological
> drawing to this email. I am hoping your background and knowledge of bone
> objects and textile production may give some insight on potential uses for
> this object. I have also included a couple photos of breaks under the
> microscope on the chance that you might be able to give some insight into
> what sort of bone this is, but I know that sort of identification is
> usually done with the object in hand. Any information you can give me -
> even if it is just speculation on potential uses for a tool of this size
> and shape - would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Erik Farrell****
>
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