[Bonetools] Re : Re : Re : protohistoric object

Fri Jul 22 16:16:52 CEST 2011

Helle Eva and everybody

Thanks for your suggestions. Another thing to try ! Actually, there two 
different traces : the flat side with striations and, only on some objects, the 
extremities with smooth polish. Good idea to share results of experimentations, 
if I had the agreement of the director of excavation.

Best

 Marquebielle Benjamin
PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
5, rue du pont Guilheméry
31000 Toulouse
tel : 06 71 33 61 52
e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr

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De : Eva David <eva.david at mae.u-paris10.fr>
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Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Re :  Re :  protohistoric object

Hello Benjamin, 
During your experiment, don't forget to use your one-sided perforated phalanx as 
a damping slipper that could have been employed for stopping a wheel - patin de 
freinage d'un tour (de potier?) ... Thus you may record two different lustre 
aspect, the straight side that is active with grind-like aspect (the slipper) 
and the opposite anatomical face that is shiny-polish-like by the "shoe" (the 
side that as been pushed).
And if you have some results you want to share with the WBRG members, don't 
forget to send your contribution to our Experiments WBRG WEB page where films, 
photos and references already 
are: http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8&Itemid=8
Wish you nice tests.
Best, 
éva

Le 22 juil. 2011 à 09:51, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin a écrit :

Hello Marloes, sorry for the delay, I traveled.
>Good remark... Phalanges internal side are flat but not so flat. I agree with 
>you : the (possible) worked surface must be straight and a pottery generaly 
>isn't.
>
>Best
>Benjamin
>
> Marquebielle Benjamin
>PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
>5, rue du pont Guilheméry
>31000 Toulouse
>tel : 06 71 33 61 52
>e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
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De : Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen <marloesrijkelijkhuizen at hotmail.com>
>À : bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>Envoyé le : Ven 1 juillet 2011, 21h 02min 49s
>Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Re : protohistoric object
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>Hi Benjamin
> 
>I couldn't see if it was flattened (before use). 
> 
>If used, it should be used for/on something with a flat surface, the surface is 
>completely flat. (compare the medieval skates, these were used on ice and have a 
>flat surface, but were sometimes flattened before use). If used for pottery the 
>surface wouldn't be straight.
> 
>Best, Marloes
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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:35:47 +0100
>From: benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
>To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>Subject: [Bonetools] Re : protohistoric object
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>No, it isn't.
>I send photo of another object where you can see more precisely the traces. Use 
>wear area is the result of the use/exploitation of the flatest face of the 
>phalanx, maybe with a kind of abrasion technique... The mophologic modification 
>of the bone could be various but never very important.
>
>Non, il ne s'agit pas de sciage. 
>Je joins une photo d'un autre objet sur laquelle on voit plus précisément les 
>stigmates. La zone d'usure est le résultat de l'utilisation ou de l'exploitation 
>de la face la plus plate de la phalange, peut être en utilisant une technique 
>d'abrasion... Ce degré d'usure peut varier mais il n'est jamais très important.
>
> Marquebielle Benjamin
>PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
>5, rue du pont Guilheméry
>31000 Toulouse
>tel : 06 71 33 61 52
>e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
>
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De : François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr>
>À : bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>Envoyé le : Ven 1 juillet 2011, 12h 20min 16s
>Objet : Re: [Bonetools] protohistoric object
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>Est-il sûr qu'il ne s'agit pas d'un sciage ?
>
>Would not be sawing traces ?
>
>Le 01/07/2011 11:00, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin a écrit :
>Hello !
>>Does anybody have an idea about the type or function of this object ? It's an 
>>young pig phalanx, with use wear traces on the internal face, covered by oblique 
>>striations. It comes from large protohistoric site (possible marketplace) of 
>>Toulouse, in the south of France (II-I° century BC). About 20 objects was found, 
>>a majority made of pig phalanxes (young or not) and only two made of bovid 
>>pahlanxes. Use wear is always located on the same face, with different use 
>>degree and some objetcs are perforated on the proximal face. We thought about a 
>>kind ofsmoother (in relation with potery ? metal ?) but objects are realy small 
>>and found in various contexts (more often in wells full of rubbish).
>>Thanks a lot and best regards
>>
>> Marquebielle Benjamin
>>PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
>>5, rue du pont Guilheméry
>>31000 Toulouse
>>tel : 06 71 33 61 52
>>e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
>>
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