[Bonetools] Re : protohistoric object

[Selena Vitezovic]

Hello everyone,
Hello, Benjamin,

Perhaps a little bit out of time and place - but last year at ICAZ
conference I saw a poster on astragals from Bronze age Hungary with similar
usewear pattern, used probably for clay working.
This is the link for the abstract, perhaps photos may be found or asked from
author.
http://alexandriaarchive.org/bonecommons/items/show/1383

And I agree with Marloes, they must have been flattened before use. Some
other used astragals, from Balkan Neolithic and Chalcolithic, seemed to have
been flattened before use (probably with sandstone) - although they were
most likely used on soft, organic materials, since they have intense polish.


best, selena


On 1 July 2011 21:02, Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen <
marloesrijkelijkhuizen at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Benjamin
>
> I couldn't see if it was flattened (before use).
>
> If used, it should be used for/on something with a flat surface, the
> surface is completely flat. (compare the medieval skates, these were used on
> ice and have a flat surface, but were sometimes flattened before use). If
> used for pottery the surface wouldn't be straight.
>
> Best, Marloes
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:35:47 +0100
> From: benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
> Subject: [Bonetools] Re : protohistoric object
>
>
> No, it isn't.
> I send photo of another object where you can see more precisely the traces.
> Use wear area is the result of the use/exploitation of the flatest face of
> the phalanx, maybe with a kind of abrasion technique... The mophologic
> modification of the bone could be various but never very important.
>
> Non, il ne s'agit pas de sciage.
> Je joins une photo d'un autre objet sur laquelle on voit plus précisément
> les stigmates. La zone d'usure est le résultat de l'utilisation ou de
> l'exploitation de la face la plus plate de la phalange, peut être en
> utilisant une technique d'abrasion... Ce degré d'usure peut varier mais il
> n'est jamais très important.
>
> Marquebielle Benjamin
> PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
> 5, rue du pont Guilheméry
> 31000 Toulouse
> tel : 06 71 33 61 52
> e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
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>
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> *De :* François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr>
> *À :* bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
> *Envoyé le :* Ven 1 juillet 2011, 12h 20min 16s
> *Objet :* Re: [Bonetools] protohistoric object
>
> Est-il sûr qu'il ne s'agit pas d'un sciage ?
>
> Would not be sawing traces ?
>
> Le 01/07/2011 11:00, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin a écrit :
>
> Hello !
> Does anybody have an idea about the type or function of this object ? It's
> an young pig phalanx, with use wear traces on the internal face, covered
> by oblique striations. It comes from large protohistoric site (possible
> marketplace) of Toulouse, in the south of France (II-I° century BC). About
> 20 objects was found, a majority made of pig phalanxes (young or not) and
> only two made of bovid pahlanxes. Use wear is always located on the same
> face, with different use degree and some objetcs are perforated on the
> proximal face. We thought about a kind of smoother (in relation with
> potery ? metal ?) but objects are realy small and found in various contexts
> (more often in wells full of rubbish).
> Thanks a lot and best regards
>
> Marquebielle Benjamin
> PhD student TRACES laboratory - UMR 5608
> 5, rue du pont Guilheméry
> 31000 Toulouse
> tel : 06 71 33 61 52
> e-mail : benjamin.marquebielle at yahoo.fr
>
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