[Bonetools] toggle harpoons

Thu Jul 12 18:02:33 CEST 2018

Dear Fabian,

Thanks!
best, Selena

On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 at 11:23, Haack, Fabian <
Fabian.Haack at landesmuseum-stuttgart.de> wrote:

> Dear Selena,
>
>
>
> not SE Europe, but Danube, there are some from the Bronze Age and one
> Neolithic from the Federsee in SW-Germany, see W. Torke, Die Fischerei am
> prähistorischen Federsee. In: Archäologisches Korrespondenzblatt 23, 1993,
> 49-66.
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> All the best,
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> Fabian
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> *Von:* Bonetools [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *Im Auftrag
> von *Selena Vitezovic
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 18:48
> *An:* Petar Zidarov; Mailing list for archaeologists of the research
> group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
> *Betreff:* Re: [Bonetools] toggle harpoons
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> Dear Petar,
>
>
>
> Thanks for this, any little helps.
>
> At this moment, I am working on a collection from multi-layered site with
> main remains from Vučedol culture, but these harpoons are an intriguing
> question.
>
> It seems that they are not cultural, but chronological marker for
> Eneolithic and perhaps EBA  -widespread in several Eneolithic cultures in
> the South Carpahtian Basin. Those from Pietrele, do you rembember were they
> made with metal tools or not?
>
> The question of their function is also very interesting, were they for
> catching fish, and which one?
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>
>
> best regards, Selena
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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 at 08:40, Petar Zidarov <petar.zidarov at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear Selena,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have my notes with me and I cannot check for exact
> references at the moment, but I found a 10 year old email in my inbox,
> where I have written to Alice and Jean-Marc Petillon that:
>
>
>
> *I have traced the distribution of the so called toggle harpoons (the
> antler tine based ones) all along Danube from the Delta to Southern
> Germany. So far, it seemed to me that the Romanian ones are the earliest,
> spreading gradually to the west (the latest in Germany date to the end of
> the third - early second mill BC), but also to the east ( I have found some
> from fourth mill context in the North Pontic steppes of Ukraine). However,
> interestingly enough there are none of them published on the Bulgarian side
> of Danube, although they are very common finds in the museums on the
> Romanian side.*
>
> Herewith, I am attaching an article with illustration on similar finds
> from Pietrele (4600-4300 BC). Monica certainly knows more sites (I have
> spotted plenty in Oltenita museum) and I guess there were some in Hungary.
> If I am not mistaken Chris Arabatsis also showed me some from Northern
> Greece. Even though they are earlier than yours, they provide an indication
> about the ecological niche where you should expect the most.
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> My suggestion is to check for sites along Danube and its tributaries
> (Sava), as well as big lakes/swamps like Ljubljansko barje, where you may
> expect really big fish. Small seals from the Black sea are also
> historically spotted up to the Iron Gorge, but I am not familar with any
> identification of such from zooarchaeological reports from archaeological
> sites along Danube. However, for the same reason you may expect some on the
> Adriatic coast.
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> I hope these notes take you somewhere.
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> Good luck!
>
> Petar
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> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018, 8:21:22 PM GMT+2, Selena Vitezović <
> selenavitezovic at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear Vivian,
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>
> I found these papers on harpoons, thank you.
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> I would still love to get anything at all about antler toggle harpoons
> from SE Europe....
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>
>
> best regards, Selena
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> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 at 17:22, <scheinso at retina.ar> wrote:
>
> Hi Selena
>
> To begin with, I think Gerd Weniger has something ( although I guess SW
> Europe, look for '80-'90 papers at his RG page
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gerd-Christian_Weniger/contributions,
> ). Also, for the eskimo ones, Danielle Stordeur ( not sure about antler )
>
> Best
>
>
>
> V.
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> El 2018-07-07 14:45, Selena Vitezović escribió:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> I am looking for any publications about the toggle harpoons made from
> antler, preferably from SE Europe. Anything - simple mention, catalogue....
> and, of course, if there is any paper that analyses them in detail.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> On attachment: toggle harpoons from late Eneolithic / Early Bronze Age in
> South Carpathian basin, site of Sarvaš.
>
>
>
> best regards, Selena
>
>
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