[Bonetools] General question about dot and circle motif

[Alice Choyke]

Dear Monica and kate,
      My first instinct was also to suggest use of a bow-drill to make the
circle and dot with a three pronged bit but then I remembered the
interesting problem that aside from cold hammered gold and copper there was
not real metallurgy in the americas prior to the advent of europeans. I
would ask Kate about obsidian or chalcedney triple pointed objects. is that
even a realistic possibility?

Alice

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:26 AM, T + M Tielens <info at bikkelenbeen.nl> wrote:

> Hello Kate,
>
> I use it for the decorations on my bone articles. When I started with bone
> carving I used the one hand tool with a metal fork and I turned it round.
> But if you look at all the originals this is not the way our ancestors did
> it. Nowadays I use a handdrill with a 3 fork metaltool specialy made by a
> blacksmith. And although I am not satisfatied yet the result is much better
> than before.
>
> Greetings
> Monica Tielens
> Bikkel en Been
>
> 2012/6/11 Katherine M. Moore <kmmoore at sas.upenn.edu>
>
> Dear bone tool group colleagues:
>>
>> My eye was caught by the dot/circle motifs on that hair pin, and I
>> address the list with a few basic questions about this motif, based on
>> their occasional appearance on "fancy" pieces in Formative (neolithic)
>> Bolivia.
>>
>> What tools and techniques are necessary to produce this effect? It is a
>> one-step or two-step procedure to produce the dot and the circle together?
>>
>> I have seen reference to producing the circle with a fine, stiff reed or
>> plant stem and abrasive. Does this seem reasonable?
>>
>> Does decoration with dot-and-circle seem like a more demanding process
>> than free-hand engraving or less demanding of skill and training?
>>
>> There is spectacular free-hand engraving on bone for thousands of years
>> in the New World, but dot-and-circle also appears. I don't have the
>> experience to judge the implications for the production of the craft, much
>> less what the social implications might be in choosing a dot-and-circle
>> decoration over a hatched band or a little monkey or jaguar.
>>
>> Thanks for your insights,
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Kate Moore
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen <marloesrijkelijkhuizen@**hotmail.com<marloesrijkelijkhuizen at hotmail.com>
>> >:
>>
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> A question from a German colleague.
>>> This object is 6,6 cm long, diameter of the shaft is 0,4 cm. The dice
>>> are circa 0,6 x 0,7 cm.
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you seen such a piece before, or has any other information?
>>>
>>> With best wishes,
>>> Marloes
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Philadelphia, PA 19104 USA
>>
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