[Bonetools] bone pavement

Fri Jul 13 21:29:00 CEST 2012

WOW! I really wonder how much these floors have to do with a certain waste
not want not Reformation mentality where nothing is thrown away that
doesn't have to be. I am glad I asked about these floors - the examples I
showed now in Leeds were a big hit.

Alice

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Dave Constantine <
dkconstantine at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Having only just joined the list, I am unsure of exactly what period you
> are looking for, but there are currently excavations being undertaken on
> "The Curtain" (late 16th - early 17th C) theatre and there is a bone floor
> in situ there.
>
> http://www.archaeology.co.uk/**articles/news/curtain-up-on-**
> shakespeares-lost-theatre.htm<http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/news/curtain-up-on-shakespeares-lost-theatre.htm>
>
> David Constantine
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: François Poplin
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
>
> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
>
> Le 12/07/2012 12:24, trzaska at lineone.net a écrit :
>
>> Dear Francois,
>>
>> I have a feeling that there is a bone metapodial floor in the Oxford City
>> Museum - I will check
>> up on that. To add an earlier dimension to the subject, they were also
>> used in single rows as the
>> surround to at least one hearth of a 7th-century building in Lundenwic
>> (Middle Saxon London), laid
>> out in a very neat rectangle. I can send the details of this along if
>> anybody is interested,
>>
>
> Yes, please, fine !
>  It will help to show to the people in Jura, near Saint-Claude, to
> understand the interest of what they hav
>
>
> e. Ian Riddler PS there is no sign of them used in garden walls here in
> Cornwall, England
>
>
>
> ----Original Message----
>
>  From: poplin at mnhn.fr
>>> Date: 11/07/2012 13:31
>>> To: <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
>>> Subj: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
>>> Le 10/07/2012 23:10, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Here is one photo of part of the floor. I will send another separately.
>>>> I was only able to take
>>>>
>>> photos of parts of the floor as I did not have a proper camera with me.
>>
>>  All floors of this type are usually called 'knucklebone floors' in
>>>> English, even if they are
>>>>
>>> made with (or decorated with) other elements such as teeth and
>> metapodials, such as here - see the
>> article and gazetteer by Philip Armitage - ARMITAGE, P. 1989. Gazetteer
>> of sites with animal bones
>> used as building material and
>>
>>  ARMITAGE, P. L. 1989. The use of animal bones as building material in
>>>> Post Medieval Britain. In:
>>>>
>>> SERJEANTSON, D. & WALDRON, T. (eds.) Diet and Crafts in Towns.
>>
>>  'Knuckle' bones does usually refer to the astragalus, though I suppose
>>>> that an ape (or a person)
>>>>
>>> which walks on its knuckles will be walking on the distal metacarpals.
>> Are bikkelbeen the same??
>>
>>  Dear all (specially Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen),
>>> I found bikkelbeen in the dutch/flemmish field, refering to knuckelbone.
>>> For example :
>>> : Bikkel, Hilrich : osselet, garignon [I don't know "garignon" yet]
>>> A propos bovine canon bones/métapodials of cattle (distal ends of which
>>> are the only pieces in the V. Rossi and R. Le Pennec report) :
>>> do you find in GB/UK these metapodials fixed/fastened in old gardens
>>> walls, to attach trees; vine ? There arel lots of them in France, and,
>>> as they come very close to the Channel in Normandy and Brittany, they
>>> must be also in Great Britain. Are they not ?
>>> Your's. .
>>>
>>>> Dale
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>>>>
>>> Tielens [info at bikkelenbeen.nl]
>>
>>  Sent: 10 July 2012 19:06
>>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study
>>>> of object and waste of
>>>>
>>> bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> They appear to me as metapodia and not knucklebones (astragalus). Do
>>>> you agree?
>>>> greetings Monica Tielens
>>>> Bikkel (knucklebone) and Been (bone)
>>>> 2012/7/10 François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr<mailto:poplin@**mnhn.fr<poplin at mnhn.fr>
>>>> >>
>>>> Dear Dale Serjantson,
>>>> may I have more detail about your find, even a picture ? (is it
>>>> published yet ?)
>>>> What do you mean with/by "knucklebones" ? talus/astragalus as usual ?
>>>> Your's faithfully.
>>>> Le 10/07/2012 11:41, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
>>>> Hello Colleagues
>>>> This example of a 'knucklebone floor' in the Jura is very interesting.
>>>> I have just discovered another one in England, at Uppark, a National
>>>> Trust house in Sussex. It
>>>>
>>> is part of a outdoor game larder designed by the architect Humphry
>> Repton.
>>
>>  I would be very interested to hear about other examples. Also, does
>>>> anyone have recommendations
>>>>
>>> about the best way to conserve such floors? This one is outdoors, and
>> probably needs some
>> conservation.
>>
>>  Dale
>>>> Dale Serjeantson
>>>> Archaeology
>>>> School of Humanities
>>>> University of Southampton
>>>> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/**archaeology/profiles/**serjeantson.html<http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/profiles/serjeantson.html>
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>>  Sent: 09 July 2012 17:15
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>>>> of      object and waste
>>>>
>>> of bone,       antler. ivory and horn.
>>
>>  Subject: [Bonetools] bone pavement
>>>> Dear Alice, dear all,
>>>> Please, have a look, I'll come back afterwards.
>>>> http://www.aricia.fr/jura-**patrimoine/Os.htm<http://www.aricia.fr/jura-patrimoine/Os.htm>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe would it be good to present that of the archezoo mailing list too
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Alice, I remember Sandor Bökönyi telling of such thing(s) in Prague. Can
>>>> you précise with Laslo Bart. ?
>>>>
>>>> I have seen a case in Spain recently (the picture is still in the
>>>> camera).
>>>>
>>>> Your's.
>>>>
>>>> --
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