<div>WOW! I really wonder how much these floors have to do with a certain waste not want not Reformation mentality where nothing is thrown away that doesn't have to be. I am glad I asked about these floors - the examples I showed now in Leeds were a big hit.</div>
<div> </div><div>Alice<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Dave Constantine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dkconstantine@btinternet.com" target="_blank">dkconstantine@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">Having only just joined the list, I am unsure of exactly what period you are looking for, but there are currently excavations being undertaken on "The Curtain" (late 16th - early 17th C) theatre and there is a bone floor in situ there.<br>
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Le 12/07/2012 12:24, <a href="mailto:trzaska@lineone.net" target="_blank">trzaska@lineone.net</a> a écrit :<br>
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Dear Francois,<br>
<br>
I have a feeling that there is a bone metapodial floor in the Oxford City Museum - I will check<br>
up on that. To add an earlier dimension to the subject, they were also used in single rows as the<br>
surround to at least one hearth of a 7th-century building in Lundenwic (Middle Saxon London), laid<br>
out in a very neat rectangle. I can send the details of this along if anybody is interested,<br>
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Yes, please, fine !<br>
It will help to show to the people in Jura, near Saint-Claude, to<br>
understand the interest of what they hav<br>
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e. Ian Riddler PS there is no sign of them used in garden walls here in<br>
Cornwall, England<br>
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Le 10/07/2012 23:10, Serjeantson D. a écrit :<br>
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Here is one photo of part of the floor. I will send another separately. I was only able to take<br>
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photos of parts of the floor as I did not have a proper camera with me.<br>
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All floors of this type are usually called 'knucklebone floors' in English, even if they are<br>
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made with (or decorated with) other elements such as teeth and metapodials, such as here - see the<br>
article and gazetteer by Philip Armitage - ARMITAGE, P. 1989. Gazetteer of sites with animal bones<br>
used as building material and<br>
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ARMITAGE, P. L. 1989. The use of animal bones as building material in Post Medieval Britain. In:<br>
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SERJEANTSON, D. & WALDRON, T. (eds.) Diet and Crafts in Towns.<br>
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'Knuckle' bones does usually refer to the astragalus, though I suppose that an ape (or a person)<br>
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which walks on its knuckles will be walking on the distal metacarpals. Are bikkelbeen the same??<br>
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Dear all (specially Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen),<br>
I found bikkelbeen in the dutch/flemmish field, refering to knuckelbone.<br>
For example :<br>
: Bikkel, Hilrich : osselet, garignon [I don't know "garignon" yet]<br>
A propos bovine canon bones/métapodials of cattle (distal ends of which<br>
are the only pieces in the V. Rossi and R. Le Pennec report) :<br>
do you find in GB/UK these metapodials fixed/fastened in old gardens<br>
walls, to attach trees; vine ? There arel lots of them in France, and,<br>
as they come very close to the Channel in Normandy and Brittany, they<br>
must be also in Great Britain. Are they not ?<br>
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Dear all,<br>
They appear to me as metapodia and not knucklebones (astragalus). Do you agree?<br>
greetings Monica Tielens<br>
Bikkel (knucklebone) and Been (bone)<br>
2012/7/10 François Poplin <<a href="mailto:poplin@mnhn.fr" target="_blank">poplin@mnhn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:poplin@mnhn.fr" target="_blank">poplin@<u></u>mnhn.fr</a>>><br>
Dear Dale Serjantson,<br>
may I have more detail about your find, even a picture ? (is it published yet ?)<br>
What do you mean with/by "knucklebones" ? talus/astragalus as usual ?<br>
Your's faithfully.<br>
Le 10/07/2012 11:41, Serjeantson D. a écrit :<br>
Hello Colleagues<br>
This example of a 'knucklebone floor' in the Jura is very interesting.<br>
I have just discovered another one in England, at Uppark, a National Trust house in Sussex. It<br>
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Dear Alice, dear all,<br>
Please, have a look, I'll come back afterwards.<br>
<a href="http://www.aricia.fr/jura-patrimoine/Os.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aricia.fr/jura-<u></u>patrimoine/Os.htm</a><br>
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Maybe would it be good to present that of the archezoo mailing list too ?<br>
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Alice, I remember Sandor Bökönyi telling of such thing(s) in Prague. Can<br>
you précise with Laslo Bart. ?<br>
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I have seen a case in Spain recently (the picture is still in the camera).<br>
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Your's.<br>
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