[Bonetools] bone pavement
Pierre Cattelain
pcattela at ulb.ac.be
Thu Jul 12 12:39:35 CEST 2012
Hi,
Thanks for all this information. I'm very interested by a photo of the middle saxon hearth of Lundenwic mentioned by Ian Ridder.
Best regards,
Pierre Cattelain
Cedarc / Musée du Malgré-Tout
CReA-Patrimoine, Université Libre de Bruxelles
ULB - Site de Treignes
28, rue de la Gare - 5670 Treignes
+32 476 96 70 54
pcattela at ulb.ac.be
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Le 12 juil. 2012 à 12:24, trzaska at lineone.net a écrit :
> Dear Francois,
>
> I have a feeling that there is a bone metapodial floor in the Oxford City Museum - I will check
> up on that. To add an earlier dimension to the subject, they were also used in single rows as the
> surround to at least one hearth of a 7th-century building in Lundenwic (Middle Saxon London), laid
> out in a very neat rectangle. I can send the details of this along if anybody is interested,
>
>
>
> Ian Riddler
>
>
>
> PS there is no sign of them used in garden walls here in Cornwall, England
>
>
>
>> ----Original Message----
>
>> From: poplin at mnhn.fr
>
>> Date: 11/07/2012 13:31
>
>> To: <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
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>> Subj: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
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>>
>
>> Le 10/07/2012 23:10, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
>
>>> Here is one photo of part of the floor. I will send another separately. I was only able to take
> photos of parts of the floor as I did not have a proper camera with me.
>
>>>
>
>>> All floors of this type are usually called 'knucklebone floors' in English, even if they are
> made with (or decorated with) other elements such as teeth and metapodials, such as here - see the
> article and gazetteer by Philip Armitage - ARMITAGE, P. 1989. Gazetteer of sites with animal bones
> used as building material and
>
>>>
>
>>> ARMITAGE, P. L. 1989. The use of animal bones as building material in Post Medieval Britain. In:
> SERJEANTSON, D. & WALDRON, T. (eds.) Diet and Crafts in Towns.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> 'Knuckle' bones does usually refer to the astragalus, though I suppose that an ape (or a person)
> which walks on its knuckles will be walking on the distal metacarpals. Are bikkelbeen the same??
>
>> Dear all (specially Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen),
>
>>
>
>> I found bikkelbeen in the dutch/flemmish field, refering to knuckelbone.
>
>>
>
>> For example :
>
>> : Bikkel, Hilrich : osselet, garignon [I don't know "garignon" yet]
>
>>
>
>> A propos bovine canon bones/métapodials of cattle (distal ends of which
>
>> are the only pieces in the V. Rossi and R. Le Pennec report) :
>
>> do you find in GB/UK these metapodials fixed/fastened in old gardens
>
>> walls, to attach trees; vine ? There arel lots of them in France, and,
>
>> as they come very close to the Channel in Normandy and Brittany, they
>
>> must be also in Great Britain. Are they not ?
>
>>
>
>> Your's. .
>
>>>
>
>>> Dale
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] on behalf of T + M
> Tielens [info at bikkelenbeen.nl]
>
>>> Sent: 10 July 2012 19:06
>
>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of
> bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
>
>>>
>
>>> Dear all,
>
>>>
>
>>> They appear to me as metapodia and not knucklebones (astragalus). Do you agree?
>
>>>
>
>>> greetings Monica Tielens
>
>>> Bikkel (knucklebone) and Been (bone)
>
>>> 2012/7/10 François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr<mailto:poplin at mnhn.fr>>
>
>>> Dear Dale Serjantson,
>
>>>
>
>>> may I have more detail about your find, even a picture ? (is it published yet ?)
>
>>>
>
>>> What do you mean with/by "knucklebones" ? talus/astragalus as usual ?
>
>>>
>
>>> Your's faithfully.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Le 10/07/2012 11:41, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
>
>>>
>
>>> Hello Colleagues
>
>>> This example of a 'knucklebone floor' in the Jura is very interesting.
>
>>>
>
>>> I have just discovered another one in England, at Uppark, a National Trust house in Sussex. It
> is part of a outdoor game larder designed by the architect Humphry Repton.
>
>>>
>
>>> I would be very interested to hear about other examples. Also, does anyone have recommendations
> about the best way to conserve such floors? This one is outdoors, and probably needs some
> conservation.
>
>>>
>
>>> Dale
>
>>>
>
>>> Dale Serjeantson
>
>>> Archaeology
>
>>> School of Humanities
>
>>> University of Southampton
>
>>>
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>>> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/profiles/serjeantson.html
>>>
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> bounces at listserv.niif.hu<mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu>] on behalf of François Poplin
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>
>>> Sent: 09 July 2012 17:15
>
>>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste
> of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
>
>>> Subject: [Bonetools] bone pavement
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>>>
>
>>> Dear Alice, dear all,
>
>>>
>
>>> Please, have a look, I'll come back afterwards.
>
>>>
>
>>> http://www.aricia.fr/jura-patrimoine/Os.htm
>>>
>
>>> Maybe would it be good to present that of the archezoo mailing list too ?
>>>
>>> Alice, I remember Sandor Bökönyi telling of such thing(s) in Prague. Can
>>> you précise with Laslo Bart. ?
>>>
>>> I have seen a case in Spain recently (the picture is still in the camera).
>>>
>>> Your's.
>>>
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>>
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>> Ancien Laboratoire d'Anatomie comparée
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