[Bonetools] bone pavement

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Dear Francois,

I have a feeling that there is a bone metapodial floor in the Oxford City Museum - I will check 
up on that. To add an earlier dimension to the subject, they were also used in single rows as the 
surround to at least one hearth of a 7th-century building in Lundenwic (Middle Saxon London), laid 
out in a very neat rectangle. I can send the details of this along if anybody is interested,



Ian Riddler



PS there is no sign of them used in garden walls here in Cornwall, England 



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>From: poplin at mnhn.fr

>Date: 11/07/2012 13:31 

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>Le 10/07/2012 23:10, Serjeantson D. a écrit :

>> Here is one photo of part of the floor. I will send another separately. I was only able to take 
photos of parts of the floor as I did not have a proper camera with me.

>>

>> All floors of this type are usually called 'knucklebone floors' in English, even if they are 
made with (or decorated with) other elements such as teeth and metapodials, such as here - see the 
article and gazetteer by Philip Armitage - ARMITAGE, P. 1989. Gazetteer of sites with animal bones 
used as building material and

>>

>> ARMITAGE, P. L. 1989. The use of animal bones as building material in Post Medieval Britain. In: 
SERJEANTSON, D. & WALDRON, T. (eds.) Diet and Crafts in Towns.

>>

>>

>>

>> 'Knuckle' bones does usually refer to the astragalus, though I suppose that an ape (or a person) 
which walks on its knuckles will be walking on the distal metacarpals. Are bikkelbeen the same??

>Dear all (specially Marloes Rijkelijkhuizen),

>

>I found bikkelbeen in the dutch/flemmish field, refering to knuckelbone.

>

>For example :

>: Bikkel, Hilrich : osselet, garignon [I don't know "garignon" yet]

>

>A propos bovine canon bones/métapodials of cattle (distal ends of which 

>are the only pieces in the V. Rossi and R. Le Pennec report) :

>do you find in GB/UK these metapodials fixed/fastened in old gardens 

>walls, to attach trees; vine ? There arel lots of them in France, and, 

>as they come very close to the Channel in Normandy and Brittany, they 

>must be also in Great Britain. Are they not ?

>

>Your's. .

>>

>> Dale

>>

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>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] on behalf of T + M 
Tielens [info at bikkelenbeen.nl]

>> Sent: 10 July 2012 19:06

>> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of 
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>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement

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>> Dear all,

>>

>> They appear to me as metapodia and not knucklebones (astragalus). Do you agree?

>>

>> greetings Monica Tielens

>> Bikkel (knucklebone) and Been (bone)

>> 2012/7/10 François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr<mailto:poplin at mnhn.fr>>

>> Dear Dale Serjantson,

>>

>> may I have more detail about your find, even a picture ? (is it published yet ?)

>>

>> What do you mean with/by "knucklebones" ? talus/astragalus as usual ?

>>

>> Your's faithfully.

>>

>>

>> Le 10/07/2012 11:41, Serjeantson D. a écrit :

>>

>> Hello Colleagues

>> This example of a 'knucklebone floor' in the Jura is very interesting.

>>

>> I have just discovered another one in England, at Uppark, a National Trust house in Sussex. It 
is part of a outdoor game larder designed by the architect Humphry Repton.

>>

>> I would be very interested to hear about other examples. Also, does anyone have recommendations 
about the best way to conserve such floors? This one is outdoors, and probably needs some 
conservation.

>>

>> Dale

>>

>> Dale Serjeantson

>> Archaeology

>> School of Humanities

>> University of Southampton

>>

>> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/profiles/serjeantson.html
>> 
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>> Subject: [Bonetools] bone pavement

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>> Dear Alice, dear all,

>>

>> Please, have a look, I'll come back afterwards.

>>

>> http://www.aricia.fr/jura-patrimoine/Os.htm
>>

>> Maybe would it be good to present that of the archezoo mailing list too ?
>>
>> Alice, I remember Sandor Bökönyi telling of such thing(s) in Prague. Can
>> you précise with Laslo Bart. ?
>>
>> I have seen a case in Spain recently (the picture is still in the camera).
>>
>> Your's.
>>
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environnements
>
>Responsable du Séminaire d'Anthropozoologie
>
>Muséum national d'Histoire naturelle
>CP 56
>Ancien Laboratoire d'Anatomie comparée
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