[Bonetools] bone pavement

Wed Jul 11 12:20:11 CEST 2012

Le 10/07/2012 23:10, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
> Here is one photo of part of the floor. I will send another separately. I was only able to take photos of parts of the floor as I did not have a proper camera with me.
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> All floors of this type are usually called 'knucklebone floors' in English, even if they are made with (or decorated with) other elements such as teeth and metapodials, such as here - see the article and gazetteer by Philip Armitage - ARMITAGE, P. 1989. Gazetteer of sites with animal bones used as building material and
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> ARMITAGE, P. L. 1989. The use of animal bones as building material in Post Medieval Britain. In: SERJEANTSON, D. & WALDRON, T. (eds.) Diet and Crafts in Towns.
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> 'Knuckle' bones does usually refer to the astragalus, though I suppose that an ape (or a person) which walks on its knuckles will be walking on the distal metacarpals. Are bikkelbeen the same??
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> Dale
Dear Dale Serjantson,

L shall search in thick dictionaries what bikkelbenn means,

and I would like very much get the two papers by Armitage you are 
wrtting of,
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but, presently, I would like to show you what I wrote two days ago to Mr 
.Picod, for the interest of these bones/littles pebbles (cf. your 
picture)  :

Deux objets sont entrés dans mon champ/chant de mémoire pour parler de 
ça, le four à petits cailloux de boulanger iranien et un instrument à 
écailler le poisson.
Dans le four en question, on chauffe une sole non pas consistante, mais 
fait de petits galets gros comme de petites noix, sur quoi on jette une 
pâte assez dense pour ne pas trop couler, et qui est saisie aussitôt par 
la chaleur. On retire du four, on secoue sur un tamis à mailles ad hoc 
pour faire tomber les cailloux collés, qui vont aussitôt resservir, et 
ça vous fait un pain délicieux, épais d'un bon doigt, creusé de 
logements comme autant de fossettes digitales (par impression du bout 
des doigts). La jonchée de cailloux me rappelle ces nappes de boules de 
buis que l'on a pu voir entre dos et dossier de conducteurs de taxis, si 
vous voyez ce que je veux dire, et cela me rappelle aussi un engin à 
main et boules de buis tournantes pour se faire maigrir les bourrelets, 
qui a connu une certaine vogue il y a une trentaine d'années.

Are you sure of sheep ? What is the size ? Usually, when you hear 
"sheep", it's cattle.

Your'sd sincerely.

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> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] on behalf of T + M Tielens [info at bikkelenbeen.nl]
> Sent: 10 July 2012 19:06
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> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone pavement
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> Dear all,
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> They appear to me as metapodia and not knucklebones (astragalus). Do you agree?
>
> greetings Monica Tielens
> Bikkel (knucklebone) and Been (bone)
> 2012/7/10 François Poplin <poplin at mnhn.fr<mailto:poplin at mnhn.fr>>
> Dear Dale Serjantson,
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> may I have more detail about your find, even a picture ? (is it published yet ?)
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> What do you mean with/by "knucklebones" ? talus/astragalus as usual ?
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> Your's faithfully.
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> Le 10/07/2012 11:41, Serjeantson D. a écrit :
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> Hello Colleagues
> This example of a 'knucklebone floor' in the Jura is very interesting.
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> I have just discovered another one in England, at Uppark, a National Trust house in Sussex. It is part of a outdoor game larder designed by the architect Humphry Repton.
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> I would be very interested to hear about other examples. Also, does anyone have recommendations about the best way to conserve such floors? This one is outdoors, and probably needs some conservation.
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> Dale
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> Dale Serjeantson
> Archaeology
> School of Humanities
> University of Southampton
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> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/profiles/serjeantson.html
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> Dear Alice, dear all,
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> Please, have a look, I'll come back afterwards.
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> http://www.aricia.fr/jura-patrimoine/Os.htm
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> Maybe would it be good to present that of the archezoo mailing list too ?
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> Alice, I remember Sandor Bökönyi telling of such thing(s) in Prague. Can
> you précise with Laslo Bart. ?
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> I have seen a case in Spain recently (the picture is still in the camera).
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> Your's.
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