[Bonetools] Re : Re : Re : Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures

Wed Jan 11 15:08:45 CET 2012

Dear Alice,

I totally agree with you! It would be counterproductive not to work together, in isolation. I see the advent of this new working group not as seperation or chism, but simply as a burgeoning of worked bone studies. I do not have any plan to leave the ICAZ-WBRG whatsoever: this working group is very much essential, and it will remain so. The SAA working group is only another tool to attract even more people to worked bone studies, at a regional/continental level, and without competing with the ICAZ-WBRG at the international level.

Best,

Christian

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 De : Alice Choyke <h13017cho at iif.hu>
À : Christian Gates <cgates70 at yahoo.fr>; "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu> 
Envoyé le : Mercredi 11 Janvier 2012 2h53
Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Re : Re : Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures

Dear Christian and all our North American colleagues,
          What ever happens  - let us remember that we will be stronger and more influential TOGETHER. I agree that we should advertise this group on our website and hope that the two groups can cooperate from the very beginning.

Cheers!
Alice

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Christian Gates <cgates70 at yahoo.fr> wrote:

Hi again,
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>Jean-Marc: no worries, you message did not sound aggressive at all! (nor did mine, I hope!). For my part, I just wanted to offer a north american point of view on the subject. Again, I think this should not be seen as a conflicting issue; I just wished that my north american collegues be as numerous and as productive as you guys are in Europe! And I came to think that Lisa Dugas's proposal to create a working group for the SAA might be a good step in that direction.
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>Christian K.: I totally agree with you about the necessicity to keep bonds, create links, and exchange information between any extant and future working groups. I see the coming of the new SAA working group as an occasion for more collaboration, not for competition! We live in a global world, that's for sure, but we tend to forget that we also have national and regional issues to deal with. Perhaps this new SAA working group could eventually attract more people to the ICAZ-WBRG, who knows? I think the multiplication of regional working groups is a good thing for the future of worked bone studies, and it should not be seen as an obstacle or duplication of the good job that is being done at the international level with the ICAZ-WBRG. But again, this is just my humble opinion.
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>Cheers everyone!
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>Christian
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>Christian Gates St-Pierre
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>Invited researcher
>Département d'anthropologie
>Université de
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>Université Laval
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> De : Christian Küchelmann <info at knochenarbeit.de>
>À : Christian Gates <cgates70 at yahoo.fr>; "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu> 
>Cc : Alice Choyke <h13017cho at iif.hu>; Jörg Schibler <joerg.schibler at unibas.ch> 
>Envoyé le : Mardi 10 Janvier 2012 12h19
>Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Re :  Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures
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>Dear colleagues,
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>when I read Sarah's message in the ZOOARCH list my first thought was like Jean-Marc's: Is this really necessary? Nevertheless I claimed this message to be relevant for the BONETOOL-list and I forwarded it.
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>I have to admit I can follow Christian's and Alice's thoughts and I won't mind another working Group working on the same topic. And as has been said already, several colleagues working in the US are active members of the WBRG for years and vice versa several colleagues from Europe have participated in Christian's SAA session in Montreal 2004, which has been ackknowledged on the WBRG-website for quite a while by the way (see http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=34). What I think is absolutely necessary, however, is to keep bonds with the SAA working group from the beginning and exchange knowledge, information, etc.
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>I can offer to get in contact with Sarah and Lisa Dugas and offer them to put the proposal for the Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group (ZBTIG) in the News section of the WBRG-Website, if WBRG members agree. Further, as soon as the working group has been founded physically I can set links to them.
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>What do you think?
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>Best
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>Christian
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>Am 10.01.2012 um 15:50 schrieb Christian Gates:
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>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> If I may share my point of view on this matter, I would like to underline the fact that most members of the WBRG are based in Europe, with meetings held in Europe. Unfortunately, many North American archaeologists sometimes have the tendency to look for collaboration with their North American collegues before looking at the international level, for various reasons (language, large basin of archaeologists in the USA, etc.). Thus, I think a working group among the Society for American Archaeology (SAA, perhaps the largest association of archaeologists in the world) cannot be a bad thing. The more working groups there are, the more worked bone studies will be
 known. It is not only a question of networking, but also a question of visibility and vitality. A multiplication of working groups would only mean that our field is alive and growing.
>> 
>> Eva David mentions the 2004 symposium in Montreal, held during the annual SAA meeting. This is a symposium I organised with my collegue Renee Walker. At that time I was a postdoc fellow in the United States doing use wear analysis on bone tools. This was a new field to me (I have been trained as a ceramic specialist), and I had never met any other worked bone specialist before. It is only after this meeting that I joined the ICAZ and the WBRG. I'm saying this because I think it might happen again (with other young North American researchers especially). For example, If a worked bone working group in North America could do the same great work that is being done in Europe with the ICAZ-WBRG, I think that could only be a good thing. And I do not see these a
 "competing" working groups, but as different working groups on different continents working together, not against each other.
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>> Accordingly, I hope that a new worked bone working group will appear among the various SAA working groups. This will show to North American students and professors that it is an active field of research, and a further step in promoting the inclusion of work bone studies in the university curricula and in promoting the training of MA and PhD students in this field of research. Perhaps this could be a first step in having as many worked bone specialists in North America as there are in Europe (please, let me dream!!).
>> 
>> I may be wrong, but this is how I see it. Sorry for this long message, and do not hesitate to share your comments on it.
>> 
>> Have a nice day!
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>> 
>> Christian Gates St-Pierre
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>> Invited researcher
>> Département
 d'anthropologie
>> Université de Montréal
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>> Lecturer and posdoctoral research fellow
>> Département d'histoire
>> Université Laval
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>> De : Eva David <eva.david at mae.u-paris10.fr>
>> À : "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
>> Envoyé le : Mardi 10 Janvier 2012 4h56
>> Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures
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>> Short Note :
>> WBRG Members have already participated to SAA (Montréal, 2004) for a special dedicated session on Bone technology, but of course, they 're not there representative of WBRG's then
 :
>> Ch. Gates St.-Pierre & R. Walker (Eds.), 2007, Bones as Tools; Current methods and interpretations in worked bone studies. Oxford (BAR International Series; 1622).
>> Best, éva
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>> Le 9 janv. 2012 à 19:50, Alice Choyke a écrit :
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>>> Dear Jean-Marc,
>>>       I agree with you about possible duplication but it is also precisely the reason that WBRG must be truly international and not expect the world to come to us! I can perfectly understand that colleagues in the US, Asia and the Pacific feel frustrated that all our meetings have been uniformly in Europe. We should have pressed for more international venues much earlier than Salzburg but, frankly, it never occurred to me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alice
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jean-Marc Petillon <petillon at univ-tlse2.fr> wrote:
>>> It's good news to see that interest for bone technology is on the rise in the SAA as well, but what will be the purpose of this group except duplicating what the WBRG is already doing?
>>> 
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>>> Le 06/01/12 11:56, Christian Küchelmann a écrit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>> 
>>> Von: Sarah Whitcher Kansa <skansa at ALEXANDRIAARCHIVE.ORG>
>>> Datum: 5. Januar 2012 20:24:51 MEZ
>>> An: ZOOARCH at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Betreff: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures
>>> Antwort an: Sarah Whitcher Kansa <skansa at ALEXANDRIAARCHIVE.ORG>
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> A zooarchaeologist colleague, Lisa Dugas, is putting together a
>>> proposal for a new Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group
>>> (ZBTIG) for the Society for American Archaeology. She is soliciting
>>> signatures from colleagues who are SAA members and who would be
>>> interested in participating in this working group. It will be a free
>>> group that will meet once a year at the SAA meeting to exchange
>>> information about zooarchaeology and bone technology research and issues.
>>> 
>>> Lisa has provided a simple form to sign that says you are an SAA
>>> member and plan to participate in the group. I've put the form online
>>> at the link below (Word doc) If you're at all
 interested, please sign
>>> it and send it to Lisa.
>>> http://alexandriaarchive.org/bonecommons/items/show/1819
>>> 
>>> (Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group single signature
>>> form.doc)
>>> 
>>> If you'd like more information about the proposed group, please email
>>> Lisa: l.dugas at gaiconsultants.com
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>> Sarah
>>> 
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