[Bonetools] Re : Re : Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures

Wed Jan 11 08:53:34 CET 2012

Dear Christian and all our North American colleagues,
          What ever happens  - let us remember that we will be stronger and
more influential TOGETHER. I agree that we should advertise this group on
our website and hope that the two groups can cooperate from the very
beginning.

Cheers!
Alice

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Christian Gates <cgates70 at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Jean-Marc: no worries, you message did not sound aggressive at all! (nor
> did mine, I hope!). For my part, I just wanted to offer a north american
> point of view on the subject. Again, I think this should not be seen as a
> conflicting issue; I just wished that my north american collegues be as
> numerous and as productive as you guys are in Europe! And I came to think
> that Lisa Dugas's proposal to create a working group for the SAA might be a
> good step in that direction.
>
> Christian K.: I totally agree with you about the necessicity to keep
> bonds, create links, and exchange information between any extant and future
> working groups. I see the coming of the new SAA working group as an
> occasion for more collaboration, not for competition! We live in a global
> world, that's for sure, but we tend to forget that we also have national
> and regional issues to deal with. Perhaps this new SAA working group could
> eventually attract more people to the ICAZ-WBRG, who knows? I think the
> multiplication of regional working groups is a good thing for the future of
> worked bone studies, and it should not be seen as an obstacle or
> duplication of the good job that is being done at the international level
> with the ICAZ-WBRG. But again, this is just my humble opinion.
>
> Cheers everyone!
>
> Christian
>
>
> Christian Gates St-Pierre
>
> Invited researcher
> Département d'anthropologie
> Université de Montréal
>
> Lecturer and posdoctoral research fellow
> Département d'histoire
> Université Laval
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Christian Küchelmann <info at knochenarbeit.de>
> *À :* Christian Gates <cgates70 at yahoo.fr>; "Mailing list for
> archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of
> bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
> *Cc :* Alice Choyke <h13017cho at iif.hu>; Jörg Schibler <
> joerg.schibler at unibas.ch>
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 10 Janvier 2012 12h19
> *Objet :* Re: [Bonetools] Re : Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group
> seeking signatures
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> when I read Sarah's message in the ZOOARCH list my first thought was like
> Jean-Marc's: Is this really necessary? Nevertheless I claimed this message
> to be relevant for the BONETOOL-list and I forwarded it.
>
> I have to admit I can follow Christian's and Alice's thoughts and I won't
> mind another working Group working on the same topic. And as has been said
> already, several colleagues working in the US are active members of the
> WBRG for years and vice versa several colleagues from Europe have
> participated in Christian's SAA session in Montreal 2004, which has been
> ackknowledged on the WBRG-website for quite a while by the way (see
> http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=34).
> What I think is absolutely necessary, however, is to keep bonds with the
> SAA working group from the beginning and exchange knowledge, information,
> etc.
>
> I can offer to get in contact with Sarah and Lisa Dugas and offer them to
> put the proposal for the Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group
> (ZBTIG) in the News section of the WBRG-Website, if WBRG members agree.
> Further, as soon as the working group has been founded physically I can set
> links to them.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best
>
> Christian
> --
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 um 15:50 schrieb Christian Gates:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > If I may share my point of view on this matter, I would like to
> underline the fact that most members of the WBRG are based in Europe, with
> meetings held in Europe. Unfortunately, many North American archaeologists
> sometimes have the tendency to look for collaboration with their North
> American collegues before looking at the international level, for various
> reasons (language, large basin of archaeologists in the USA, etc.). Thus, I
> think a working group among the Society for American Archaeology (SAA,
> perhaps the largest association of archaeologists in the world) cannot be a
> bad thing. The more working groups there are, the more worked bone studies
> will be known. It is not only a question of networking, but also a question
> of visibility and vitality. A multiplication of working groups would only
> mean that our field is alive and growing.
> >
> > Eva David mentions the 2004 symposium in Montreal, held during the
> annual SAA meeting. This is a symposium I organised with my collegue Renee
> Walker. At that time I was a postdoc fellow in the United States doing use
> wear analysis on bone tools. This was a new field to me (I have been
> trained as a ceramic specialist), and I had never met any other worked bone
> specialist before. It is only after this meeting that I joined the ICAZ and
> the WBRG. I'm saying this because I think it might happen again (with other
> young North American researchers especially). For example, If a worked bone
> working group in North America could do the same great work that is being
> done in Europe with the ICAZ-WBRG, I think that could only be a good thing.
> And I do not see these a "competing" working groups, but as different
> working groups on different continents working together, not against each
> other.
> >
> > Accordingly, I hope that a new worked bone working group will appear
> among the various SAA working groups. This will show to North American
> students and professors that it is an active field of research, and a
> further step in promoting the inclusion of work bone studies in the
> university curricula and in promoting the training of MA and PhD students
> in this field of research. Perhaps this could be a first step in having as
> many worked bone specialists in North America as there are in Europe
> (please, let me dream!!).
> >
> > I may be wrong, but this is how I see it. Sorry for this long message,
> and do not hesitate to share your comments on it.
> >
> > Have a nice day!
> >
> >
> > Christian Gates St-Pierre
> >
> > Invited researcher
> > Département d'anthropologie
> > Université de Montréal
> >
> > Lecturer and posdoctoral research fellow
> > Département d'histoire
> > Université Laval
> >
> >
> >
> > De : Eva David <eva.david at mae.u-paris10.fr>
> > À : "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study
> of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <
> bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
> > Envoyé le : Mardi 10 Janvier 2012 4h56
> > Objet : Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group
> seeking signatures
> >
> > Short Note :
> > WBRG Members have already participated to SAA (Montréal, 2004) for a
> special dedicated session on Bone technology, but of course, they 're not
> there representative of WBRG's then :
> > Ch. Gates St.-Pierre & R. Walker (Eds.), 2007, Bones as Tools; Current
> methods and interpretations in worked bone studies. Oxford (BAR
> International Series; 1622).
> > Best, éva
> >
> >
> > Le 9 janv. 2012 à 19:50, Alice Choyke a écrit :
> >
> >> Dear Jean-Marc,
> >>      I agree with you about possible duplication but it is also
> precisely the reason that WBRG must be truly international and not expect
> the world to come to us! I can perfectly understand that colleagues in the
> US, Asia and the Pacific feel frustrated that all our meetings have been
> uniformly in Europe. We should have pressed for more international venues
> much earlier than Salzburg but, frankly, it never occurred to me.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Alice
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jean-Marc Petillon <
> petillon at univ-tlse2.fr> wrote:
> >> It's good news to see that interest for bone technology is on the rise
> in the SAA as well, but what will be the purpose of this group except
> duplicating what the WBRG is already doing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 06/01/12 11:56, Christian Küchelmann a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
> >>
> >> Von: Sarah Whitcher Kansa <skansa at ALEXANDRIAARCHIVE.ORG>
> >> Datum: 5. Januar 2012 20:24:51 MEZ
> >> An: ZOOARCH at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> >> Betreff: [ZOOARCH] proposed SAA interest group seeking signatures
> >> Antwort an: Sarah Whitcher Kansa <skansa at ALEXANDRIAARCHIVE.ORG>
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> A zooarchaeologist colleague, Lisa Dugas, is putting together a
> >> proposal for a new Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group
> >> (ZBTIG) for the Society for American Archaeology. She is soliciting
> >> signatures from colleagues who are SAA members and who would be
> >> interested in participating in this working group. It will be a free
> >> group that will meet once a year at the SAA meeting to exchange
> >> information about zooarchaeology and bone technology research and
> issues.
> >>
> >> Lisa has provided a simple form to sign that says you are an SAA
> >> member and plan to participate in the group. I've put the form online
> >> at the link below (Word doc) If you're at all interested, please sign
> >> it and send it to Lisa.
> >> http://alexandriaarchive.org/bonecommons/items/show/1819
> >>
> >> (Zooarchaeology and Bone Technology Interest Group single signature
> >> form.doc)
> >>
> >> If you'd like more information about the proposed group, please email
> >> Lisa: l.dugas at gaiconsultants.com
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help!
> >> Sarah
> >>
> >> -- Sarah Whitcher Kansa Executive Director,
> >>
> >> AAI Editor, Open Context www.alexandriaarchive.org www.opencontext.org
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --Jean-Marc Petillon
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> >>
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