[Bonetools] (no subject)

Tue Oct 19 11:15:51 CEST 2010

Ah - that is what was in the back of my mind - matting needles. I found some
not very nice images on the internet but we should wait for Beth Stone to
read her mail. She may have looked at 100s of these things from North
American contexts. It is clear that people made all sorts of matting in
prehistoric Europe as seen from carbonized remains at archaeological sites.
However - this seems to be a profitable direction in which to investigate. I
have asked a woman who has studied the imprints and made numerous mats to
try a replicate techniques from the Hungarian final neolithic. Here is a
nice site though from the internet:
http://www.uwlax.edu/sociology/archaeology/Students/schultz/index.htm

Alice

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>wrote:

>  I would try plaiters (with plant material) as well - they were usually
> looking for soft tools (metal for instance tore the plant strips).
> Etan
>
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *Alice Choyke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:53 AM
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> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
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> Dear Etan,
>     I am going to run this idea past some actual weavers. It looks like
> this piece is so worn you won't see any wear beyond those caused by natural
> forces. For weaving narrow bands people usually use short pointed shuttles -
> not at all curved. However, I am NOT a weaver of any kind and there are
> indeed many ways to skin a cat.
>
> Alice
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>wrote:
>
>>  I guess that when preparing a narrow strip a curved shuttle could be
>> even an advantage, holding it a little bit from above. It would be
>> interesting to check use wear both around the hole and along the blade.Etan
>>
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>> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
>> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *Alice Choyke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:47 AM
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>> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
>> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] (no subject)
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>>   My problem with it being a weaving shuttle is that it is curved.
>> correct me if I am wrong but it would be very awkward to move it at all
>> between the warp threads. I am wondering why ANTLER was chosen to make a
>> tool that could be easily produced on cattle rib - much more work involved
>> this way.
>>
>> Alice
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Etan Ayalon <etana at eretzmuseum.org.il>wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear Olivier,
>>> This nice object looks like a weaving shuttle. Exact parallels were
>>> used in Israel since the Neolithic period (6th-5th millenia BCE). cf.:
>>> Bar Yosef, Ofer. 1988. *Nahal* *Hemar Cave* ('Atiqot Series). Israel
>>> Antiquities Authority. Jerusalem (Neolithic).
>>> Bar Adon, Pesah. 1980. *The Cave of the Treasures, The Finds from the
>>> Caves in Nahal Mishmar*. Israel Exploration Society. Jerusalem
>>> (Chalcolithic). Good photo of the same: Ayalon, Etan and Sorek, Chagit.
>>> 1999. *Bare Bones, Ancient Artifacts from Animal Bones* (Catalogue,
>>> Eretz Israel Museum). Tel Aviv, Fig. 27.
>>> And so on, it has not changed in many periods.
>>> Sincerely yours
>>> Etan Ayalon
>>> Israel
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>>>    Dear colleagues, we found on the settlement of Erstein (late bronze
>>> age), located near Strasbourg (Alsace, France), an antler artefact (photos
>>> attached). The dimensions are as follows:
>>>
>>> - length 165 mm
>>>
>>> - width 26 mm
>>>
>>> - thickness: 2.3 to 2.4 mm
>>>
>>> - diameter hole: 5.5 mm
>>>
>>> Does somebody have an idea of the possible function of this object? Thanks
>>> in advance. Sincerely yours. OP.
>>>
>>>
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