Ah - that is what was in the back of my mind - matting needles. I found some not very nice images on the internet but we should wait for Beth Stone to read her mail. She may have looked at 100s of these things from North American contexts. It is clear that people made all sorts of matting in prehistoric Europe as seen from carbonized remains at archaeological sites. However - this seems to be a profitable direction in which to investigate. I have asked a woman who has studied the imprints and made numerous mats to try a replicate techniques from the Hungarian final neolithic. Here is a nice site though from the internet: <a href="http://www.uwlax.edu/sociology/archaeology/Students/schultz/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.uwlax.edu/sociology/archaeology/Students/schultz/index.htm</a><br>
<br>Alice<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Etan Ayalon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:etana@eretzmuseum.org.il" target="_blank">etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial">I would try plaiters
(with plant material) as well - they were usually looking for soft tools (metal
for instance tore the plant strips).</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial">Etan</font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="he">
<hr>
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alice
Choyke<br></div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:53 AM<div><div></div><div><br><b>To:</b> Mailing
list for archaeologists of the research group for the study ofobject and waste
of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] (no
subject)<br></div></div></font><br></div><div><div></div><div>
<div></div>Dear Etan,<br> I am going to run this idea past
some actual weavers. It looks like this piece is so worn you won't see any wear
beyond those caused by natural forces. For weaving narrow bands people usually
use short pointed shuttles - not at all curved. However, I am NOT a weaver of
any kind and there are indeed many ways to skin a cat.<br><br>Alice<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Etan Ayalon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:etana@eretzmuseum.org.il" target="_blank">etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div>
<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial">I guess that when preparing a narrow strip
a curved shuttle could be even an advantage, holding it a little bit from
above. It would be interesting to check use wear both around the hole and
along the blade.Etan </font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="he">
<hr>
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Alice Choyke<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:47
AM<br><b>To:</b> Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Bonetools] (no subject)<br></font><br></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div></div>My problem with it being a weaving shuttle is that it is curved.
correct me if I am wrong but it would be very awkward to move it at all
between the warp threads. I am wondering why ANTLER was chosen to make a tool
that could be easily produced on cattle rib - much more work involved this
way.<br><br>Alice<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Etan Ayalon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:etana@eretzmuseum.org.il" target="_blank">etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div vlink="purple" link="blue" lang="FR">
<div>
<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial">Dear Olivier,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2">This nice object looks like a
weaving shuttle. Exact parallels were used in Israel since
the Neolithic period (6th-5th millenia BCE).
cf.: </font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Bar Yosef, Ofer. 1988.
<i>Nahal</i> <i>Hemar Cave</i> ('Atiqot Series). Israel Antiquities
Authority. Jerusalem (Neolithic).</span></font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Bar Adon, Pesah. 1980. <i>The
Cave of the Treasures, The Finds from the Caves in Nahal Mishmar</i>. Israel
Exploration Society. Jerusalem (Chalcolithic). Good photo of the same:
Ayalon, Etan and Sorek, Chagit. 1999. <i>Bare Bones, Ancient Artifacts from
Animal Bones</i> (Catalogue, Eretz Israel Museum). Tel Aviv, Fig.
27.</span></font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>And so on, it has not changed
in many periods.</span></font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Sincerely
yours</span></font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Etan
Ayalon</span></font></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Israel </span></font></font></span></div></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="he">
<hr>
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>PUTELAT Olivier<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 18, 2010 5:37
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for
thestudy ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and
horn.<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bonetools] (no subject)<br></font><br></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear colleagues, we found on the settlement of
Erstein (late bronze age), located near Strasbourg (Alsace, France), an
antler artefact (photos attached). The dimensions are as follows:
</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- length 165 mm</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- width 26 mm </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- thickness: 2.3 to 2.4 mm </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- diameter hole: 5.5 mm </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-GB">Does somebody have an idea of the possible function
of this object?</span></font><font size="3" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours.
OP.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Olivier PUTELAT</span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><b><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"><span></span></span></font></b></b> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';">POLE
D'ARCHEOLOGIE INTERDEPARTEMENTAL RHENAN (PAIR)</span></font></b></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><b><i><font size="1" color="navy" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 9pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"><span>Opérations
archéologiques - Laboratoire mixte
d'ostéo-archéologie</span></span></font></i></b></i><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><br></span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: navy;">Archéozoologue</span></font><font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="purple" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: purple;">T</span></font><font size="1" color="#333399"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">él. 03
90</span></font><font size="1" color="#333399"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></font><font size="1" color="#333399"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">58 55 72</span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><span>Fax</span></span></font><font size="1" color="#333399"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">
</span></font><font size="1" color="#333399"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">03 90 58 55
35</span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><span>courriel</span></span></font>
: <a href="mailto:olivier.putelat@pair-archeologie.fr" target="_blank"><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt;">olivier.putelat@pair-archeologie.fr</span></font></a><font size="1" color="black"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: black;">
</span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 6pt; color: navy;"></span></font> </p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"><span><span><span><span>2,
allée Thomas Edison</span></span></span></span></span></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"></span>ZA
Sud - CIRSUD</font></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';" lang="EN-GB">F-67600
SELESTAT</span></span></font><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';" lang="EN-GB"><font color="#333399"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">FRANCE</span></font><font color="#333399"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"></span></font></span></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 6pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';" lang="EN-GB"></span></font> </p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" color="#333399" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 153); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"><span><a title="http://www.pair-archeologie.fr/" href="http://www.pair-archeologie.fr" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB"><span title="http://www.pair-archeologie.fr/">www.pair-archeologie.fr</span></span></a></span></span></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';"><span></span><span><font color="#333399"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"></span></font></span></span></font> </p>
<table style="width: 360.75pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" width="481">
<tbody>
<tr style="min-height: 14.25pt;" height="19">
<td style="padding: 0cm; min-height: 14.25pt;" height="19">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="6" color="green" face="Webdings"><span style="font-size: 24pt; color: green; font-family: Webdings;">P</span></font><i><b><i><font size="1" color="teal" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 7.5pt; color: teal; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS';">
</span></font></i></b></i><font size="3" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p></td>
<td style="padding: 0cm; min-height: 14.25pt;" height="19">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#004000" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(0, 64, 0);">Merci de
penser à l'environnement avant d'imprimer ce
message...</span></font><font size="1" color="#004000"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(0, 64, 0);"><br></span></font><font size="1" color="#004000"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(0, 64, 0);" lang="EN-GB">Bitte denken Sie an die
Umwelt, bevor Sie diese Nachricht ausdrucken...<br>Please consider
your environmental responsibility before printing this
e-mail</span></font><font size="1" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></font> </p></div><br></div></div>______________________________________________________________________<br>This
email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.<br>For more
information please visit <a href="http://www.messagelabs.com/email" target="_blank">http://www.messagelabs.com/email</a>
<br>______________________________________________________________________<br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Bonetools
mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools" target="_blank">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>
<div style="display: inline;"></div><br>______________________________________________________________________<br>This
email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.<br>For more
information please visit <a href="http://www.messagelabs.com/email" target="_blank">http://www.messagelabs.com/email</a>
<br>______________________________________________________________________<br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Bonetools
mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools" target="_blank">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>
<div style="display: inline;"></div>
<br>______________________________________________________________________<br>This
email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.<br>For more
information please visit <a href="http://www.messagelabs.com/email" target="_blank">http://www.messagelabs.com/email</a>
<br>______________________________________________________________________<br></div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Bonetools mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>
<a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools" target="_blank">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><div style="display: inline;"></div>
<div style="display: inline;"></div>
<div style="display: inline;"></div>
<div style="visibility: hidden; display: inline;" id="avg_ls_inline_popup"></div><style type="text/css">#avg_ls_inline_popup { position:absolute; z-index:9999; padding: 0px 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; width: 240px; overflow: hidden; word-wrap: break-word; color: black; font-size: 10px; text-align: left; line-height: 13px;}</style>