[Bonetools] antler object from Iron Gates

François Poplin poplin at mnhn.fr
Sat May 1 11:21:09 CEST 2010


Dear colleague,

as "first aid", I would pray 1°) for seeing the item itself, which is 
not possible, and 2) and much more, for a C14 dating.

Your's

Selena Vitezovic a écrit :
> Thanx again to everybody for comments.
> Isabelle, yes, it may be Chalcolithic, there are some Salcuta finds in 
> Iron Gates (one grave was found on Lepenski Vir), although in the 
> vicinity of Knjepište site there are none, and Bronze Age (Žuto Brdo 
> culture) in this case is more probable. The small circle near 
> perforation could be both accidental and ornamental, and looks like 
> Bronze age decoration.
> Of course, it could be Late Neolithic as well - but there is no Late 
> Neolithic in Iron Gates II region.
> So, most probably, this is a stray Bronze Age find.
> Sandra, in Iron Gates I know only about the famous piece from Cuina 
> Turcului, from Serbian side there is no mention of them in 
> publications, and since I haven't seen personally the material from 
> Upper Gorge area, I can't tell you definitely if there are any or not.
> best, s.
>
>
> 2010/4/30 Sandra Olsen <olsens at carnegiemnh.org 
> <mailto:olsens at carnegiemnh.org>>
>
>     Dear Selena:
>     It is a bit early for a cheek piece, probably, but it could be an
>     arrowshaft straightener/flaker.  The wear around the perforation
>     suggests that it could have been used to straighten shafts,
>     although not over a very long period of time.
>     Do you have any decorated horse phalanges?  I am very interested
>     in finding out if there are others from Iron Gate and what their
>     ages are.
>     Cheers,
>
>     Sandi
>     Sandra L. Olsen, Ph.D.
>     Head of the Section of Anthropology
>     Carnegie Museum of Natural History
>     O'Neil Research Center
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>     Pittsburgh, PA 15206
>      
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>
>
>
>     On 4/28/10 7:08 PM, "Selena Vitezovic" <selenavitezovic at gmail.com
>     <mailto:selenavitezovic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hello everyone,
>
>         I have - again - a question concerning early and middle
>         Neolithic bone objects. This antler piece comes from early
>         Neolithic site Knjepište in Iron Gates (near the Iron Gates II
>         hydropowerplant, i. e. downstream of Lepenski Vir), and should
>         be of Early Neolithic origin. However, I have never seen
>         anything quite like this before - and it does not seem
>         Neolithic to me. All these Iron Gates sites also have traces
>         of Roman occupation, and several sites in Iron Gates II region
>         have Bronze Age levels as well (Žuto Brdo culture), and I
>         think this piece is younger than Early Neolithic (data on
>         stratigraphy is scarce).
>         I would really appreciate if anyone could point me to some
>         analogies.
>         thanx, Selena
>
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