[Bonetools] (no subject)

Mon Jul 5 17:19:04 CEST 2010

Chère S O'Connor

comme je vous l'ai écrit, je suis presque aveugle devant vos photos très 
sombres (sur mon écran), qui ne m'ont pas montré de manière évidente les 
5 trous de la face bombée/convexe. De même, je me sens un peu muet en 
anglais pour ce que j'ai à exprimer. C'est que vous avez précisé dans un 
message intercurrent que le dessous (la partie concave) est non 
travaillé, non finie. Cela ne convient pas à l'idée de poignée que je 
vous ai proposée. En effet, les doigts touchent cette surface, sur une 
poignée de récipient, comme la paume touche la surface opposée (bombée). 
Je me demande plutôt si cette pièce n'était pas en placage, un peu comme 
(dans un tout autre domaine), les éléments de placage méridionaux (ie : 
selon les méridiens) d'un oeuf d'autruche ou d'une noix de coco. Les 5 
trous pourraient avoir logé des rivets/chevilles décoratives, d'un autre 
couleur, d'une autre substance. Ces conduits ne sont-ils pas légèrement 
évasés vers le haut ?

Il n'est pas agréable de devoir travailler comme ici dans le brouillard, 
et sans avoir toutes les réponses aux questions ou recommandations. 
Celle concernant la radiographie était pour distinguer les matières à 
charge calcique (os, ivoire, etc.) contrairement au bois à la corne (de 
boeuf musqué ?, demandais-je), aux matières plastiques, etc.

Sincèrement à vous.

I turn back brifley

S O'Connor a écrit :

> Dear François,
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> The scale is inches. The finder mentions only the 5 holes which are 
> visible so I do not think that the ends are pierced.  There seems to 
> be no context beyond being from St Lawrence Island, Alaska, I do not 
> know if the phrase 'picked up' means that they found it on the ground 
> -- it could equally mean that they bought it as a curiosity in a local 
> shop. The age is not known.  I agree that the photographs are 
> difficult to view.  I can suggest that Clare contacts the enquirer 
> with our questions if anyone thinks this is worthwhile.
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> Sonia
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> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, 
> University of York
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> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
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> Archaeological Sciences
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> Division of AGES, 
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> University of Bradford
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> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
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> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
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> *From:* bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu 
> [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] *On Behalf Of *François Poplin
> *Sent:* 30 June 2010 14:19
> *To:* Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the 
> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.
> *Subject:* Re: [Bonetools] (no subject)
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> Please,
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> what is the context ? The age ? The length (6+ cm or 6+ inches) ?
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> Are the extremities pierced ?
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> I cannot enlarge nor clear up the image, wich is rather dark.
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> [If it were recent,] it [would] make me remember of some handle of 
> some tea or coffee pot, made of some synthectic material of 
> pre-plastic time.
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> Your's.
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> S O'Connor a écrit :
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> Dear Alice,
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> The following query and attached images came to me via Clare Ward at 
> the British Museum who has requested that I forward them to the 
> bonetools discussion list to see if anyone can help with the function 
> of this piece.  It is not clear to me what the materials is from these 
> photographs but what I can see is consistent with an ivory of some 
> species.  I am happy to pass thoughts back via Clare.
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> All the best,
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> Sonia
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> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, 
> University of York
>
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
>
> Archaeological Sciences
>
> Division of AGES, 
>
> University of Bradford
>
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
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> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
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> fax 01274 23 5210
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> *From:* Sherry Doyal
> *Sent:* 29 June 2010 15:01
> *To:* Caroline Cartwright
> *Cc:* Clare Ward; Philip Kevin
> *Subject:* FW: Identification?
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> Any guesses? S
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> *From:* Ed Tennant [mailto:etennant2 at comcast.net]
> *Sent:* 29 June 2010 14:57
> *To:* Sherry Doyal
> *Subject:* Identification?
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> Dear Sherry -- I am a good friend of your cousin, Jim MacDiarmid. 
> Started working with him in Alaska in the mid 1970's. Still talk to 
> him a couple of times a week, brushing up on our German and exchanging 
> recipes. He suggested that I forward these photos and background 
> information about a fossilized piece of ivory that so far no one can 
> identify. Below is the info I sent to Vincent LaFonde at the Canadian 
> Museum of Civilisation. I think you will find the piece curious and if 
> I am lucky you will be able to say "Eureka!" -- My best regards, Ed 
> Tennant
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> Dear Colleague:
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>   Although I am now retired here in Albuquerque, I worked as a 
> language education consultant in rural Alaska for about 30 years. Over 
> a ten-year period I worked with the elementary school staff at Gambell 
> on St. Lawrence Island. During that time I picked up several pieces of 
> fossilized ivory artifacts. One is particularly intriguing and 
> somewhat mysterious, as, so far, no one can tell me what it is. The 
> first suggestion was that it was a guide for the hitch on a fan-shaped 
> dog team. The elders at Gambell tell me that that type of sled hitch 
> was never used on the island. Fan hitch specialists also say they have 
> never seen anything like that to guide traces. So, after twenty years 
> I am still trying to find out what this object may have been used for. 
> At the suggtestion of my Canadian friend Jim MacDiarmid (currently a 
> language consultant in Juneau, Alaska) I have included two photos: a 
> front view and a top view. The back is somewhat roughly hewn and is 
> not as polished as the front. Note the stick figure in the center 
> that  has the "eye of awareness" (ellam inga)  as its head. This may 
> suggest that the object may have been used in some religious ceremony. 
> The five equidistant 1-cm holes run completely through the piece from 
> top to bottom-- I would be most grateful if you could identify this 
> unusual, artifact that is from the Bering Sea Punuk culture (800-1200 
> C.E.).
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> My sincere thanks -- Ed Tennant
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> etennant2 at comcast.net <mailto:etennant2 at comcast.net>
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