[Bonetools] forwarded question

Sat Jan 30 12:18:54 CET 2010

There are also the pig metapodials which are perforated on two sides fro
medieval sites used to make instruments/games that make a whirring sound
when pulled tight with a sudden movement (perhaps this is Jorg's
'thrilling'?). Most of all I definitely agree that rene needs to come up
with pictures of objects where the surface of the bone is not so etched
because we can only speculate.
    More important - have all of you been CC-ing Rene as well or do I need
to forward all these letters separately?

Alice

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Joerg Schibler
<joerg.schibler at unibas.ch>wrote:

> Lionel Gourichon schrieb:
>
>  Dear all,
>>
>> The following picture shows a calcaneus of Gazella gnawed and partially
>> digested (from a PPNB site of Syria: Jerf el Ahmar).
>> Indeed, similar features can be observed on the phalange pictured by René.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lionel
>>
>>
>> Lionel Gourichon
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>>
>>
>> Anne Brundle a écrit :
>>
>>> Andrea Smith's account of perforated phalanges from Pool and other sites
>>> in Orkney also supports the theory that they are probably gnawed.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu [mailto:
>>> bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] On Behalf Of Haskel UofM
>>> Sent: 29 January 2010 11:38
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>>> ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] forwarded question
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>>> I would agree. It is similar to canid gnawed material that I have seen.
>>> Haskel
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Christian Küchelmann <info at knochenarbeit.de>
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:09:44 To: Rene Kysely<kysely at arup.cas.cz>;
>>> Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study ofobject
>>> and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] forwarded question
>>>
>>> Hi René, dear all,
>>>
>>> This paper deals with perforated phalanges:
>>> Uerpmann, Hans-Peter (1969): Untersuchungen zu den Kleinfunden aus
>>>  S'Illot (Mallorca). - Madrider Mitteilungen 10, 139-140, TafelBest,
>>> But looking at the shown specimen I have to admit that the irregular
>>>  perforation appears to me like a carnivore puncture. Especially as  the
>>> edges of the bone show a texture that looks like digestive acid  corrosion.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Christian
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>>> Am 28.01.2010 um 20:18 schrieb Alice Choyke:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here is a letter from a Czech archaeozoologist who is not on the
>>>>  mailing list: I will forward all your answers to him or, if you  want to
>>>> respond directly, his address is:  kysely at arup.cas.cz.  However please
>>>> cc the list as well because I am sure many of are  curious about such
>>>> objects.
>>>>
>>>> Alice
>>>>
>>>> Dear Alice,
>>>>
>>>> such perforated cattle phalanges (attachement) are relatively  common in
>>>> czech middle Eneolithic. Please, can you advice me  literature or give idea
>>>> what can be the function of them?   (weight?, playing tool?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>> <Dvory - BT - Ph I-2Kysely.jpg>
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>> Dear Colleagues,
> sorry to say that, but the holes of the Neolithic Phalanges are
> definitively made with flint tools. I have seen a lot of such finds. They
> are common in Swiss Neolithic lake dwelling and therefore they are in a
> excellent preservation state and gnawing traces and flint tool traces can
> surely be distinguished. There are examples with one perforation but a lot
> phalanges have both sides perforated! For loom weights they are definitively
> too light. Other interpretions are music instruments: signal pipes used
> during hunting for the ones that have only one perforation or for the
> examples with two perforations together with a cord to produce noises by
> "thrilling". I don't know if this is the right English expression for the
> German word "Schwirren". Perhaps Alice can help!
> Single perforated Reindeer Phalanges are also known from french
> palaeolithic sites where they also have been expained as hunting pipes. It
> is really possible to play on single perforated phalanges. I have heard it
> played by a flutist!
> All the best!
> Jörg
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