There are also the pig metapodials which are perforated on two sides fro medieval sites used to make instruments/games that make a whirring sound when pulled tight with a sudden movement (perhaps this is Jorg's 'thrilling'?). Most of all I definitely agree that rene needs to come up with pictures of objects where the surface of the bone is not so etched because we can only speculate. <br>
More important - have all of you been CC-ing Rene as well or do I need to forward all these letters separately?<br><br>Alice<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Joerg Schibler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joerg.schibler@unibas.ch">joerg.schibler@unibas.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Lionel Gourichon schrieb:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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Dear all,<br>
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The following picture shows a calcaneus of Gazella gnawed and partially digested (from a PPNB site of Syria: Jerf el Ahmar).<br>
Indeed, similar features can be observed on the phalange pictured by René.<br>
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Anne Brundle a écrit :<br>
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Andrea Smith's account of perforated phalanges from Pool and other sites in Orkney also supports the theory that they are probably gnawed.<br>
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Anne<br>
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I would agree. It is similar to canid gnawed material that I have seen.<br>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:09:44 To: Rene Kysely<<a href="mailto:kysely@arup.cas.cz" target="_blank">kysely@arup.cas.cz</a>>; Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br>
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Hi René, dear all,<br>
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This paper deals with perforated phalanges:<br>
Uerpmann, Hans-Peter (1969): Untersuchungen zu den Kleinfunden aus S'Illot (Mallorca). - Madrider Mitteilungen 10, 139-140, TafelBest, <br>
But looking at the shown specimen I have to admit that the irregular perforation appears to me like a carnivore puncture. Especially as the edges of the bone show a texture that looks like digestive acid corrosion.<br>
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Here is a letter from a Czech archaeozoologist who is not on the mailing list: I will forward all your answers to him or, if you want to respond directly, his address is: <a href="mailto:kysely@arup.cas.cz" target="_blank">kysely@arup.cas.cz</a>. However please cc the list as well because I am sure many of are curious about such objects.<br>
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Dear Alice,<br>
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such perforated cattle phalanges (attachement) are relatively common in czech middle Eneolithic. Please, can you advice me literature or give idea what can be the function of them? (weight?, playing tool?)<br>
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Dear Colleagues,<br>
sorry to say that, but the holes of the Neolithic Phalanges are definitively made with flint tools. I have seen a lot of such finds. They are common in Swiss Neolithic lake dwelling and therefore they are in a excellent preservation state and gnawing traces and flint tool traces can surely be distinguished. There are examples with one perforation but a lot phalanges have both sides perforated! For loom weights they are definitively too light. Other interpretions are music instruments: signal pipes used during hunting for the ones that have only one perforation or for the examples with two perforations together with a cord to produce noises by "thrilling". I don't know if this is the right English expression for the German word "Schwirren". Perhaps Alice can help!<br>
Single perforated Reindeer Phalanges are also known from french palaeolithic sites where they also have been expained as hunting pipes. It is really possible to play on single perforated phalanges. I have heard it played by a flutist!<br>
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