<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_72363">Dear Maria, <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71998"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_85836">Sorry for finding your request this late. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71748"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71656">We literally have bags full of the same material from late mediavel Nuremberg, Germany. Here this kind of waste usually goes hand in hand with production waste of rosary-makers, as the beads they produced are most commonly adressed as beads for rosaries. I myself have quite a lot of those metapodials as well as the smaller blocks from some pits dating around 1400. Unfortunatly I am miles away from publishing it, I am still working on the report on the excavation.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_79323"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71870">The latest study on Nuremberg material is a master's theses dating a few years back by Sarah Koppelmann, if you like I can provide you with her mail adress. I thought I have it as a pdf, but right now I am only able to find the print-out.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_79328"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_72222">You can also find an overview by John P. Zeitler on bone-working craftsmen in recent volume edited by Chr. Sauer, Handwerk im Mittelalter (2012). If you are interested in it, I will scan it. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_79711"> <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_72920">Especially Sarah used "M. Erath, Studien zum mittelalterlichen Knochenhandwerk. Die Entwicklung eines spezialisierten Handwerks in Konstanz", a dissertation from 1996 for comparison. If you would like the pdf, please let me know. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_79771" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_80026" dir="ltr">Last but not least, regarding late medieval craftsman we are very lucky in Nuremberg. From about 1420 onwards we have two almshouses for elderly craftsmen who were no longer able to take care of themselves. Every single one of them was drawn performing his craft when joining the almshouse. 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line-height:19px; margin:0 0 4px 0;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;word-break:break-word;">Die Hausbücher der Nürnberger Zwölfbrüderstiftungen</h2> <div class="card-description" style="font-size:11px;line-height:15px;color:#999;word-break:break-word;"></div> </td> <td style="text-align:right;padding:16px 12px 16px 0;"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_85670"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71658"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_85761">Kind regards, <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_85760"><span>Mel</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71655"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476815092950_71789" class="signature">Melanie Langbein M.A. <br>Geibelstraße 10 <br>90459 Nürnberg <br>0176/20074267 <br>mlangbeinarch@yahoo.de</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> mjvualg <mvalente.ualg@gmail.com> schrieb am 13:52 Mittwoch, 19.Oktober 2016:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6784310517"><div><div dir="ltr">Thank you for your input, Marloes and Ian. (Also thank you for the photo and references attached.)<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Marloes — in my context most of the chopping was done not at the proximal end of the metapodials, but at the peripheral parts of the trochlea. Either to shape the distal end of the metapodials or to use those peripheral parts for something. If the latter, I'm wondering for what—that's a rather spongy part of the bone.<br clear="none"><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ian—The waste I found is mostly of worked bone still on its earlier stages of "sketch". There are a few products, though, that can be helpful. The archaeologist interpreted them as needles, but after seeing them, I don't think they are such (specially the bottom specimen, that shows a distinct shape in one of its edges). I'm including a photo for your own observation.</div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>All very nice clues on how to proceed from now on...</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-- MJ</div><div class="yiv6784310517gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6784310517gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Marloes <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marloesrijkelijkhuizen@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marloesrijkelijkhuizen@hotmail.com">marloesrijkelijkhuizen@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6784310517gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>This is a nice assemblage to reconstruct the production of bone objects. It is not uncommon to split metapodials lengthwise to obtain (four) longitudinal rods. Usually this is done from the proximal end, see attachment. This photograph is a waste fragment
from the 10th century, The Netherlands, but this is quite the same for medieval and post-medieval contexts. This kind of waste fragments are therefore difficult to date. The finished objects could be a range of longitudinal objects, depended on the period
of time, such as needles, ear cleaners, writing utensils, etc.</div>
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<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 18 oktober 2016 17:02<br clear="none">
<b>Aan:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br clear="none">
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Bonetools] Worked cattle metapodials in urban context from Lisbon: request for references and parallel cases</font>
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</span></font><div class="yiv6784310517m_7165329654366741417PlainText">Dear Maria,<br clear="none">
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Apologies that it has taken me so long to reply to this email. It is a difficult assemblage to date
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precisely but one of the clues may lie in what is missing, rather than what is present. What does
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the waste tell us about the finished products ? Can they be identified in any way ? I have tried to
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do that in the past, in the attached contributions. The Lundenwic article has much earlier material
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but might be interesting for the methodology.<br clear="none">
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I enclose a couple of my own texts on waste material of this type plus a contribution by Benoit
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Clavel for the Compiegne volume, which dealt with 15-16th century material. Ingrid Ulbricht dealt
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with medieval worked bone in her 1984 Schleswig volume, also very useful. I hope that this helps a
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little,<br clear="none">
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Ian Riddler<span class="yiv6784310517"><br clear="none">
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From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mvalente.ualg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mvalente.ualg@gmail.com">mvalente.ualg@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">
Date: 11/10/2016 15:45<br clear="none">
To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of<br clear="none">
object and waste of bone,<br clear="none">
antler. ivory and horn."<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv. niif.hu</a>><br clear="none">
Subj: Re: [Bonetools] Worked cattle metapodials in urban context from Lisbon: request for
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references and parallel cases<br clear="none">
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Hello Alice — That is the problem: the chronology is more shadowy than I<br clear="none">
anticipated (long timeframe, somewhere between the 15th to 20th century; my<br clear="none">
preliminary info was that it was 15-16th century). Marta Moreno García does<br clear="none">
have some bone tool workshop with metapodials from the 19th century, but<br clear="none">
they don't show the trochlea cuts (although the shaft fragments, considered<br clear="none">
as debris, is indeed similar). I suppose that's why she suggested the list<br clear="none">
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Alice Choyke <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:choyke@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:choyke@gmail.com">choyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Thank you for sending these images to the list - I have NEVER seen<br clear="none">
> trochlea cut like this. Have you compare this technical style to other<br clear="none">
> contemporary Christian bone tool workshops in Spain?<br clear="none">
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> Best,<br clear="none">
> Alice<br clear="none">
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>> This is my first post to the BoneTool list*, since my regular research<br clear="none">
>> doesn't lead me often to worked bone. However, I'm now analyzing a faunal<br clear="none">
>> assemblage from the old moorish parish of Lisbon (Portugal) in which one of<br clear="none">
>> the contexts includes some interesting worked bone materials. I'm attaching<br clear="none">
>> some photos for you see and, eventually, if possible, help me find some<br clear="none">
>> parallel works and/or materials.<br clear="none">
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>> (*thank you Marta Moreno-García for the suggestion and Alice Choyke for<br clear="none">
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>> Here some data on the archaeological context in question:<br clear="none">
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>> Chronology. Although located in a site that has context units dating from<br clear="none">
>> the 14th to the 20th century, my colleague who did the field work just<br clear="none">
>> confirmed to me that he's not sure on the chronology of this specific unit:<br clear="none">
>> it could be sometime from the 15th to 20th century (alas!).<br clear="none">
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>> Materials. The unit itself was relatively homogeneous and the worked bone<br clear="none">
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>> (1) Cattle metapodial distal ends, many cut on the distal end of the<br clear="none">
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>> (2) Many metapodials have the edges (lateral and medial) of the trochleas<br clear="none">
>> cut (parallel to the axis of the bone) (photos 3 & 4).<br clear="none">
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>> (3) The context also yielded several elongated bone blocs (multifaceted<br clear="none">
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>> (4) In all I have a collection of 90+ metapodials plus 60+ multifaceted<br clear="none">
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>> 1) Similar objects and their function. That might be very helpful to<br clear="none">
>> limit the chronological frame and their usage. I’m mostly wondering about<br clear="none">
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