<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6222"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6223">Dear Marloes,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6224"><br clear="none" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6225"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6226"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6227">Regarding the first item, I can only confirm the infos provided by Stephen Greep. It is very hard to determine the function of the long tubular artifact with disc and terminal. As Stephen Greep has already mentioned, it is believed to be a hinge of a furniture article. However, its large size and the lack of attaching holes for wooden shavings that would assure the opening/closing mechanism shed doubt in this concern. On the other hand, this long and narrow cilyndrical form is not characteristic for Roman pyxis/containers, although it could have been easily used as a cosmetic container. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6228">Does the find context indicate any furniture element (casket, kline etc.) that has been also cremated? The small bone pegs, although I did not find analogies for them in bone, look similar to the bronze casket mounts/ornamental pegs that usually cover the outer surface of a wooden casket.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6229">Are these finds from an early cremation grave (1st-2nd c. AD)?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6230"><br clear="none" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6231"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6232">Lóránt</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6233"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6234"></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6204"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6423" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6422"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6421"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6427"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6450"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Feladó:</span></b> Alice Choyke <choyke@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Címzett:</span></b> "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Elküldve:</span></b> 2016. június 5., Vasárnap 12.49<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tárgy:</span></b> Re: [Bonetools] roman cremation find<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6420"><br><div id="yiv5016561509"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6419"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6426">There is also a late roman group of antler containers from a grave near the Civil Town of Aquincum which was published in a number of places including:<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6425"><i><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Bone Objects in Aquincum.</span></i><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6424"> Az Aquincum Múzeum Gyűjteménye 2. (The Collections of
the Aquincum Museum 2), Budapest, 97-98 (in catalogue). Lorand Vass certainly has more details about this find as he has taken over roman bone tool research at Aquincum.</span><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6451"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6452">Alice</div></div><div class="yiv5016561509gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6418"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5016561509gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6417">On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Greep <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sjgreep@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sjgreep@gmail.com">sjgreep@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5016561509gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6416">
<div class="yiv5016561509yqt1101932624" id="yiv5016561509yqt24621"><div lang="EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6415"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6414"><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6413"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6412">For the first example the best parallel is from Köln – this grave has been published several times –this is just a capture from Mikler, (1997. Die römischen Funde aus Bein im Landesmuseum Mainz. Monographies Instrumentum , 1. Montagnac). He also shows a grave group from Helshoven – again with association of terminal, disc and cylinder. The discussion goes back to Fremersdorf. (1940. Römische Scharnierbänder aus Bein in Vjesnika Hravatskoga Arheološkoga Društva, n.s. 18-21, 321-337) where there is another relevant grave mentioned from Walsbetz, Maastricht where there are terminals and discs. The discussion centres around these being from hinge arrangements though I don’t think is sustainable.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465218599375_6448"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><img width="225" height="259" src="cid:TPgP1RPV356AoRXSMy1e" data-id="ef99d74b-8bb0-c93c-2d41-6bd216b2252c"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">There are other grave groups (e.g. Colchester in England, Caerleon in Wales and Apt in France) and lots of isolated examples. The dating evidence is a bit sparse, but later second to third century seems the best fit at the moment.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Can’t help on the second shot!<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Stephen<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Bonetools [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marloes<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2016 09:59<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Bonetools] roman cremation find<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv5016561509h5"><div class="yiv5016561509MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Dear all,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">I hope that you all have had a good conference!<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Does anyone know any parallells for these Roman cremation burial finds? <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Best wishes, <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="">Marloes<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style=""><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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