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<p>Thank you very much, Sonia and Steve.</p>
<p>Bests,</p>
<p>Miriam</p>
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<pre><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #3366ff; font-family: andale mono,times;">Miriam Luciañez Triviño</span><br /><span style="font-family: andale mono,times;">Contrato Predoctoral del Gobierno Vasco<br /><br />Departamento de Prehistoria y Arqueología<br />Universidad de Sevilla<br />María de Padilla s/n. 41004. Sevilla. Spain<br />Phone: (34) 954 556906<br />Fax: (34) 954 559920<br /><br />E-mail: mlucianez@us.es<br />http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web<br />http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas</span></span></pre>
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<p>El 24/02/2016 17:17, bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu escribió:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Send Bonetools mailing list submissions to<br /> <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /><br /> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br /> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> <a href="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /><br /> You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> <a href="mailto:bonetools-owner@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-owner@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /><br /> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br /> than "Re: Contents of Bonetools digest..."<br /><br /><br /> Today's Topics:<br /><br /> 1. Help to identify the raw material of an artefact (part 2)<br /> (Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o)<br /> 2. Re: A Bone ?Pendant from Oxford (Dr C.M. Hills)<br /> 3. Re: Help to identify the raw material of an artefact (part 2)<br /> (Sonia O'Connor)<br /> 4. Re: Help to identify the raw material of an artefact (part 2)<br /> (Steve Ashby)<br /><br /><br /> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /> Message: 1<br /> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:27:41 +0100<br /> From: Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o <<a href="mailto:mlucianez@us.es">mlucianez@us.es</a>><br /> To: <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /> Subject: [Bonetools] Help to identify the raw material of an artefact<br /> (part 2)<br /> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:c7c4eba56845c9cabfcd89361cb5d0ee@us.es">c7c4eba56845c9cabfcd89361cb5d0ee@us.es</a>><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br /> Dear all, <br /><br /> I would like to thank you for your suggestions and assessment,<br /> especially thank you Sonia for your evaluation. The documentation of<br /> this new material increase the number of osseous raw materials worked in<br /> this settlement. To have a more sure characterization... Could you<br /> suggest me the most suitable (not destructive, if possible) analytical<br /> method (or a combination of)? <br /><br /> Thank you very much, <br /><br /> Miriam<br /><br /> -- <br /><br /> Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o<br /> Contrato Predoctoral del Gobierno Vasco<br /><br /> Departamento de Prehistoria y Arqueolog?a<br /> Universidad de Sevilla<br /> Mar?a de Padilla s/n. 41004. Sevilla. Spain<br /> Phone: (34) 954 556906<br /> Fax: (34) 954 559920<br /><br /> E-mail: <a href="mailto:mlucianez@us.es">mlucianez@us.es</a><br /><a href="http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web">http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web</a><br /><a href="http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas">http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas</a><br /> <br /> -------------- next part --------------<br /> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br /> URL: <<a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20160224/65641449/attachment-0001.html">https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20160224/65641449/attachment-0001.html</a>><br /><br /> ------------------------------<br /><br /> Message: 2<br /> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:28:51 +0000<br /> From: "Dr C.M. Hills" <<a href="mailto:ch35@cam.ac.uk">ch35@cam.ac.uk</a>><br /> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the<br /> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."<br /> <<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br /> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] A Bone ?Pendant from Oxford<br /> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:8ef59c2b73e5b1eb443bed442baa815f@cam.ac.uk">8ef59c2b73e5b1eb443bed442baa815f@cam.ac.uk</a>><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed<br /><br /> Dear Ian, Looks to me like the animals you get on 8th-9th c MSS and <br /> metalwork- Leslie Webster is expert on those. I think I can see a pair <br /> of beasts with heads, oval eyes and lappets between pairs of feathered <br /> feet- a pair of feet by suspension loop and another pair lower down. But <br /> it also looks very plant like! Try it on Leslie. Date would fit ok, esp <br /> as presumably discarded. Catherine<br /> On 24/02/2016 10:19, <a href="mailto:trzaska@lineone.net">trzaska@lineone.net</a> wrote:
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">This beautiful bone object has just emerged from an excavation in<br /> Oxford. It is pierced laterally<br /> at the apex and has a second perforation near the base, obscured by<br /> corrosion. I haven't seen<br /> anything like it and wonder if anybody has come across anything<br /> similar. I don't have any context<br /> details for it yet but, given that it came from Oxford, it is likely<br /> to date from c AD 900 - 1500.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Any help very gratefully received,<br /><br /><br /><br /> Ian Riddler<br /><br /> _______________________________________________<br /> Bonetools mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /><a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a></blockquote>
<br /><br /><br /> ------------------------------<br /><br /> Message: 3<br /> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:51:05 +0000<br /> From: Sonia O'Connor <<a href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk">S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</a>><br /> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the<br /> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."<br /> <<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br /> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Help to identify the raw material of an<br /> artefact (part 2)<br /> Message-ID:<br /> <<a href="mailto:HE1PR03MB1323CFE25246A4974D341313CFA50@HE1PR03MB1323.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com">HE1PR03MB1323CFE25246A4974D341313CFA50@HE1PR03MB1323.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com</a>><br /><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br /> Species identification by ZooMS. This is done by fingerprinting the peptides that make up the collagen protein using mass-spectrometry. Collagen is more likely to survive than DNA, is less effected by contamination and requires a much smaller sample (it is often not possible to see by eye where the sample has been removed, which is done using an eraser). It should be able to confirm the ID as cetacean but may not be able to give you the exact species. The team at BioACH at the University of York have had a lot of success with. You need to contact Dr Matthew Collins in the first instance <a href="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a>><br /><br /> All the best,<br /><br /> Sonia<br /><br /> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York<br /> Post-doctoral Researcher<br /> Archaeological Sciences<br /> Division of AGES,<br /> University of Bradford<br /> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK<br /><br /> tel 01274 23 6498<br /><br /> From: Bonetools [mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] On Behalf Of Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o<br /> Sent: 24 February 2016 14:28<br /> To: <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /> Subject: [Bonetools] Help to identify the raw material of an artefact (part 2)<br /><br /><br /> Dear all,<br /><br /> I would like to thank you for your suggestions and assessment, especially thank you Sonia for your evaluation. The documentation of this new material increase the number of osseous raw materials worked in this settlement. To have a more sure characterization... Could you suggest me the most suitable (not destructive, if possible) analytical method (or a combination of)?<br /><br /> Thank you very much,<br /><br /> Miriam<br /> --<br /><br /> Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o<br /> Contrato Predoctoral del Gobierno Vasco<br /><br /> Departamento de Prehistoria y Arqueolog?a<br /> Universidad de Sevilla<br /> Mar?a de Padilla s/n. 41004. Sevilla. Spain<br /> Phone: (34) 954 556906<br /> Fax: (34) 954 559920<br /><br /> E-mail: <a href="mailto:mlucianez@us.es">mlucianez@us.es</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mlucianez@us.es">mlucianez@us.es</a>><br /><a href="http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web">http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web</a><br /><a href="http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas">http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas</a><br /> -------------- next part --------------<br /> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br /> URL: <<a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20160224/f98ad73c/attachment-0001.html">https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20160224/f98ad73c/attachment-0001.html</a>><br /><br /> ------------------------------<br /><br /> Message: 4<br /> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:17:23 +0000<br /> From: Steve Ashby <<a href="mailto:steve.ashby@york.ac.uk">steve.ashby@york.ac.uk</a>><br /> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the<br /> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."<br /> <<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br /> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Help to identify the raw material of an<br /> artefact (part 2)<br /> Message-ID:<br /> <<a href="mailto:CAJw4vTFhpcAywJbeLtaXKbSNhKwnYRH8PZgJeF3HaWWuk3F0eQ@mail.gmail.com">CAJw4vTFhpcAywJbeLtaXKbSNhKwnYRH8PZgJeF3HaWWuk3F0eQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br /> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br /> You may need more than the eraser method, but samples still tiny.<br /><br /> Steve<br /><br /> On Wednesday, 24 February 2016, Sonia O'Connor <<a href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk">S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</a>><br /> wrote:<br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">Species identification by ZooMS. This is done by fingerprinting the<br /> peptides that make up the collagen protein using mass-spectrometry.<br /> Collagen is more likely to survive than DNA, is less effected by<br /> contamination and requires a much smaller sample (it is often not possible<br /> to see by eye where the sample has been removed, which is done using an<br /> eraser). It should be able to confirm the ID as cetacean but may not be<br /> able to give you the exact species. The team at BioACH at the University<br /> of York have had a lot of success with. You need to contact Dr Matthew<br /> Collins in the first instance <a href="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a><br /> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',<a href="mailto:'matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">'matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a>');><br /><br /><br /><br /> All the best,<br /><br /><br /><br /> Sonia<br /><br /><br /><br /> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University<br /> of York<br /><br /> Post-doctoral Researcher<br /><br /> Archaeological Sciences<br /><br /> Division of AGES,<br /><br /> University of Bradford<br /><br /> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK<br /><br /><br /><br /> tel 01274 23 6498<br /><br /><br /><br /> *From:* Bonetools [mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',<a href="mailto:'bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">'bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>');>] *On<br /> Behalf Of *Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o<br /> *Sent:* 24 February 2016 14:28<br /> *To:* <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br /> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',<a href="mailto:'bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">'bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>');><br /> *Subject:* [Bonetools] Help to identify the raw material of an artefact<br /> (part 2)<br /><br /><br /><br /> Dear all,<br /><br /> I would like to thank you for your suggestions and assessment, especially<br /> thank you Sonia for your evaluation. The documentation of this new material<br /> increase the number of osseous raw materials worked in this settlement. To<br /> have a more sure characterization... Could you suggest me the most suitable<br /> (not destructive, if possible) analytical method (or a combination of)?<br /><br /> Thank you very much,<br /><br /> Miriam<br /><br /> --<br /><br /> Miriam Lucia?ez Trivi?o<br /> Contrato Predoctoral del Gobierno Vasco<br /><br /> Departamento de Prehistoria y Arqueolog?a<br /> Universidad de Sevilla<br /> Mar?a de Padilla s/n. 41004. Sevilla. Spain<br /> Phone: (34) 954 556906<br /> Fax: (34) 954 559920<br /><br /> E-mail: <a href="mailto:mlucianez@us.es">mlucianez@us.es</a> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',<a href="mailto:'mlucianez@us.es">'mlucianez@us.es</a>');><br /><a href="http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web">http://www.departamento.us.es/dpreyarq/web</a><br /><a href="http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas">http://www.grupo.us.es/atlas</a><br /><br /><br /></blockquote>
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