<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Dear Alice, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br>That is exactly the root of my problem - in Serbia, we have almost no Damas in prehistory at all, so my experience on the topic is rather limited. <br>The material I am working on is from eastern Bulgaria and on two sites zooarchaeologists already discovered tons (well, not tons, but they are very numerous) of Dama dama bones in the faunal record (for the third, zooarchaeological analysis is not finished), but, both of the zooarchaeologists are not sure what to do with fragmented antlers, and prefer to make identification only when 100 % sure. <br>In short, it is to be expected to have Dama bones and antlers in the worked assemblage and we have identified Dama bones used for tools. <br>Now, fragmented antlers remain problematic, and I would like to see is it possible to check if there are any preferences towards either of the species (Cervus elaphus or Dama) and if there are any differencies in manufacture techniques and/or types. Since most of the surfaces are badly preserved, there is no use comparing them to the antlers existing in reference collections (in Belgrade, we have modern Dama antlers, because Damas were used to re-populate forests in the Iron gates region). <br>Thing is, zooarchaeological references on Damas are only few, and it seems Lister's paper is the only one focused on distinguishing Damas from Cervus - someone already posted some questions on Damas on zooarch list some months ago, but only answer was the above mentioned Lister. Furthermore, I haven't seen any publications mentioning worked Dama antlers, so any comment will be helpful. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Thanks for the advice. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">best, Selena <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 March 2015 at 16:38, Alice Choyke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:choyke@ceu.hu" target="_blank">choyke@ceu.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Selena,<div><i> Dama dama </i>is almost nonexistent in Hungary even as imports in the Roman and medieval periods and totally absent in prehistory. Don't forget that <i>Cervus elaphus</i> can produce some extravagantly palmate crown antler that looks very fallow deerish. I would be willing to bet that only something like Zooms could help since DNA is probably out of the financial picture and I am unaware of any morphological study of differences between red deer and fallow deer antler that I believe in.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Alice</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Selena Vitezović <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Dear colleagues, <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I need a bit of a help with Dama dama antler artefacts. I think we had already some discussions on the topic, but I still need some help. <br>My main problem is the exact identification (Dama vs C. elaphus), since some were made from small antler segments, and also poorly preserved. Also, I do not know for any larger assemblage of Dama antler artefacts published. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Can someone help me with some references, first, on identification (apart from Adrian Lister paper), and second, on published assemblages, especially from SE Europe prehistory (although any period and region would do)?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">thank you, best, Selena<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Selena Vitezović <br></div><div>Arheološki institut <br></div><div><a href="http://www.ai.ac.rs" target="_blank">www.ai.ac.rs</a><br></div></div></div></div>
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