<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_2902" dir="ltr">Hello everyone,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_2970" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_2971" dir="ltr">The ZooMS technique is indeed a good option, and a less expensive one: I just got some very interesting preliminary results from Matthew Collins and his collegues at York University. However, you have to know that it can only provide identifications to the genus level, it cannot tell you the species (unless that species is alone in its genus in your geographical area). Also, they actually do have to take a very tiny sample of bone to extract the proteins they will identify. But they just tested a new technique using my samples, in which they do not submit the bone sample itself, but the plastic bag that contained the bone and that also contains "floating" proteins that can be detected and identify: isn't it fantastic? Anyhow, I agree with Alice, this could be an interesting option.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4022" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4023" dir="ltr">Best,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4094" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4093" dir="ltr">Christian<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_2901"><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_3956" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_3955" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_3954" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_3957" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Alice Choyke <choyke@ceu.hu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> samedi 28 février 2015 3h14<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4024" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9003958976"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4026"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4025" dir="ltr">Dear all,<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4027"> I would like to say that an EBA date for <i style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Oryctolagus cuniculus </i><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">is far too early.</span><i style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"> </i><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425130540565_4028" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">These are Mediterreanean animals which were first introduced into continental Europe with the Romans. It is also very difficult to identify the bones made into beads to species based on their morphology and DNA is far too expensive. I would recommend writing to York where there is a new non-destructive process based on identifying the protein in </span>collagen called ZoOMS. Write to Matthew Collins<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"> (</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a> ). </div><div> In my experience beads are often made from the metapodials of hare, small dogs and fox - those would seem to me to be the most likely possibilities for this time period for bead (or clasps or tinklers [sound makers]).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div>Alice</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Alice<br clear="none"><div> </div></div></div><div class="yiv9003958976gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9003958976gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Kinga Winnicka <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:k.m.winnicka@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:k.m.winnicka@gmail.com">k.m.winnicka@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9003958976gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv9003958976yqt8052711143" id="yiv9003958976yqt05558"><div dir="ltr">Dear Karin,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>In the assemblage I've analysed for my MA thesis (technological and use-wear traces on bone and antler beads) I have some simple tube-shaped beads which could have been made of shafts of hares and/or rabbits.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>These beads originate from a sepulchral context and date to the Early Bronze Age in Poland (the site has been radiocarbon dated: 2026-1746 BC).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Currently, I'm analysing a much bigger assemblage but from a similar context and I suspect that some of the bones are hare/rabbit bones. These are again tube-shaped beads and also something that looks like semi-products - only shafts with broken off epiphyses. I'm planning to do a DNA testing on some of the material, we've done that with 2 samples form the previous assemblage but it was inconclusive although the specialist suggested that there is a possibility that one of the beads could have been made of an <i>Oryctolagus cuniculus</i> bone (97% homology).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I hope this helps.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kinga Winnicka</div><div>(University of Wroclaw, Poland)<br clear="none"><div class="yiv9003958976gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9003958976gmail_quote">2015-02-24 22:02 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9003958976gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Send Bonetools mailing list submissions to<br clear="none">
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Dear R?mi! I asked one of my colleagues, specialised in Eurasian archaeology and perfect in the Russian language: prokolka = Knochenspitze, shilo = Pfriem. She could not tell me more specific meanings. Greetings Yours Cornelia<br clear="none">
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>From the text it seems that prokolka has (part of) the epiphysis left on at one end, whereas the shilo seems to have both ends sharpened. Should I use "awl" for both or do you have any suggestion for a differentiated translation ? (Unfortunately I don't have illustration of what is considered as prokolka or shilo in the text).<br clear="none">
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At ?atalh?y?k (Neolithic Turkey), they occasionally made simple beads from segments of hare long bones, judging from a radius and a humerus piece that remained as waste.<span class="yiv9003958976"><br clear="none">
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I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing my Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus saxatilis (scrub hare) .<br clear="none">
Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal assemblages here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my osteology research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try and explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an article that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone tools. It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones. Hares were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items such as clothing.<br clear="none">
I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the use of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a starting point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always present on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the diet.<br clear="none">
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In the southwestern US we find jackrabbit (Lepus sp.) bones made into awls, beads, tubes, tinklers (or what is interpretted as such), and occasionally other tools, ornaments, or other artifacts. In my limited experience it seems like there's a bit more variety in form in the Four Corners area (the Basketmaker, Anasazi/Ancestral Pueblo area) compared to Southern Arizona (Hohokam area), but that might be a matter of preservation and sample size. Here in the Sonora Desert, in the Hohokam area leporids tend to make up the majority of the faunal bone in archaeological sites so it isn't surprising that folks would have made tools from the rabbits and jackrabbits whenever it was practical. It isn't too uncommon to find that the only artiodactyl bone present will have been made into tools and usually artiodactyl bone is overrepresented in the bone tools compared to the overall faunal assemblage.<br clear="none">
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Jackrabbit tools and ornaments are also present in the Plains, but as a generalization I don't think they usually make up as large a proportion in the overall bone artifact assemblage in the Plains as in the southwest, at least not in sites that have a lot of bison bone. That's a gross generalization and I'm sure there are a lot of exceptions, but this is my overall impression from working a bit in the 4 Corners, S. Arizona, and Plains.<br clear="none">
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I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing my Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus saxatilis (scrub hare) .<br clear="none">
Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal assemblages here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my osteology research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try and explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an article that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone tools. It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones. Hares were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items such as clothing.<br clear="none">
I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the use of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a starting point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always present on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the diet.<br clear="none">
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