<div dir="ltr">Dear Alice,<div><br></div><div>I agree that it is too early for the European rabbit, we think that the samples were contaminated and the results won't be published. Fortunately, it is actually not very expensive to do the testing in a Warsaw lab (ca. EUR 200 for the whole procedure for a number of samples). Thank you for the contact in York, I'll read about the method.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd like to add that both assembalges have been consulted with zoologists and archaeozoologists and they do agree that bone shafts especially worked are not very diagnostic. We suspect however that some of the tube-shaped beads might have been made of bones of dogs/foxes, some kind of a wildcat and/or hares. This is partly on the basis that in the second assemblage we have a neclace made of fox and dog teeth and two humeri (without ephiphyses) of a wildcat.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kinga</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-28 9:14 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Bonetools mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Alice Choyke <<a href="mailto:choyke@ceu.hu">choyke@ceu.hu</a>><br>
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Dear all,<br>
I would like to say that an EBA date for *Oryctolagus cuniculus *is<br>
far too early. These are Mediterreanean animals which were first introduced<br>
into continental Europe with the Romans. It is also very difficult to<br>
identify the bones made into beads to species based on their morphology and<br>
DNA is far too expensive. I would recommend writing to York where there is<br>
a new non-destructive process based on identifying the protein in collagen<br>
called ZoOMS. Write to Matthew Collins (<a href="mailto:matthew.collins@york.ac.uk">matthew.collins@york.ac.uk</a> ).<br>
In my experience beads are often made from the metapodials of hare,<br>
small dogs and fox - those would seem to me to be the most likely<br>
possibilities for this time period for bead (or clasps or tinklers [sound<br>
makers]).<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Alice<br>
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Alice<br>
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Kinga Winnicka <<a href="mailto:k.m.winnicka@gmail.com">k.m.winnicka@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Dear Karin,<br>
><br>
> In the assemblage I've analysed for my MA thesis (technological and<br>
> use-wear traces on bone and antler beads) I have some simple tube-shaped<br>
> beads which could have been made of shafts of hares and/or rabbits.<br>
><br>
> These beads originate from a sepulchral context and date to the Early<br>
> Bronze Age in Poland (the site has been radiocarbon dated: 2026-1746 BC).<br>
><br>
> Currently, I'm analysing a much bigger assemblage but from a similar<br>
> context and I suspect that some of the bones are hare/rabbit bones. These<br>
> are again tube-shaped beads and also something that looks like<br>
> semi-products - only shafts with broken off epiphyses. I'm planning to do a<br>
> DNA testing on some of the material, we've done that with 2 samples form<br>
> the previous assemblage but it was inconclusive although the specialist<br>
> suggested that there is a possibility that one of the beads could have been<br>
> made of an *Oryctolagus cuniculus* bone (97% homology).<br>
><br>
> I hope this helps.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Kinga Winnicka<br>
> (University of Wroclaw, Poland)<br>
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>> From: "cobecker" <<a href="mailto:cobecker@zedat.fu-berlin.de">cobecker@zedat.fu-berlin.de</a>><br>
>> To: 'R?mi BERTHON' <<a href="mailto:rberthon@yahoo.fr">rberthon@yahoo.fr</a>>, "'Mailing list for<br>
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>> Dear R?mi! I asked one of my colleagues, specialised in Eurasian<br>
>> archaeology and perfect in the Russian language: prokolka = Knochenspitze,<br>
>> shilo = Pfriem. She could not tell me more specific meanings. Greetings<br>
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>> Betreff: [Bonetools] Russian terminology<br>
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>> Dear all,<br>
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>> I am translating a (Neolithic) archaeological report from Russian to<br>
>> English and I get some difficulties with two bone pointed tools-related<br>
>> terms: ???????? (prokolka) and ???? (shilo).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> >From the text it seems that prokolka has (part of) the epiphysis left on<br>
>> at one end, whereas the shilo seems to have both ends sharpened. Should I<br>
>> use "awl" for both or do you have any suggestion for a differentiated<br>
>> translation ? (Unfortunately I don't have illustration of what is<br>
>> considered as prokolka or shilo in the text).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Many thanks in advance<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> From: Nerissa Russell <<a href="mailto:nr29@cornell.edu">nr29@cornell.edu</a>><br>
>> To: "<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>" <<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br>
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>> At ?atalh?y?k (Neolithic Turkey), they occasionally made simple beads<br>
>> from segments of hare long bones, judging from a radius and a humerus piece<br>
>> that remained as waste.<br>
>><br>
>> Nerissa Russell<br>
>> Professor<br>
>> Department of Anthropology<br>
>> Cornell University<br>
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>> From: Karin Scott <<a href="mailto:kayscott@mweb.co.za">kayscott@mweb.co.za</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kayscott@mweb.co.za">kayscott@mweb.co.za</a>>><br>
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>> <<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>>><br>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:13 AM<br>
>> To: "<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>>" <<br>
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>> Subject: [Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools<br>
>><br>
>> Dear List<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you to Alice for adding me.<br>
>> I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing my<br>
>> Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare<br>
>> species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus saxatilis<br>
>> (scrub hare) .<br>
>> Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal assemblages<br>
>> here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my osteology<br>
>> research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try and<br>
>> explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an article<br>
>> that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone tools.<br>
>> It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones. Hares<br>
>> were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items such as<br>
>> clothing.<br>
>> I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the use<br>
>> of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a starting<br>
>> point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always present<br>
>> on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the diet.<br>
>> I thank you in advance for your assistance.<br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>> Karin<br>
>> Never argue with a dragon<br>
>> For thou art crunchy<br>
>> and goes well with cheese<br>
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>> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:02:33 +0000<br>
>> From: "Griffitts, Janet L - (griffitt)" <<a href="mailto:griffitt@email.arizona.edu">griffitt@email.arizona.edu</a>><br>
>> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the<br>
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>> <a href="mailto:27E20AA8B4ED1C42B1FCED562243E5297BCBBD33@Pirates.catnet.arizona.edu">27E20AA8B4ED1C42B1FCED562243E5297BCBBD33@Pirates.catnet.arizona.edu</a>><br>
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>> In the southwestern US we find jackrabbit (Lepus sp.) bones made into<br>
>> awls, beads, tubes, tinklers (or what is interpretted as such), and<br>
>> occasionally other tools, ornaments, or other artifacts. In my limited<br>
>> experience it seems like there's a bit more variety in form in the Four<br>
>> Corners area (the Basketmaker, Anasazi/Ancestral Pueblo area) compared to<br>
>> Southern Arizona (Hohokam area), but that might be a matter of preservation<br>
>> and sample size. Here in the Sonora Desert, in the Hohokam area leporids<br>
>> tend to make up the majority of the faunal bone in archaeological sites so<br>
>> it isn't surprising that folks would have made tools from the rabbits and<br>
>> jackrabbits whenever it was practical. It isn't too uncommon to find that<br>
>> the only artiodactyl bone present will have been made into tools and<br>
>> usually artiodactyl bone is overrepresented in the bone tools compared to<br>
>> the overall faunal assemblage.<br>
>><br>
>> Jackrabbit tools and ornaments are also present in the Plains, but as a<br>
>> generalization I don't think they usually make up as large a proportion in<br>
>> the overall bone artifact assemblage in the Plains as in the southwest, at<br>
>> least not in sites that have a lot of bison bone. That's a gross<br>
>> generalization and I'm sure there are a lot of exceptions, but this is my<br>
>> overall impression from working a bit in the 4 Corners, S. Arizona, and<br>
>> Plains.<br>
>> Hope this helps<br>
>><br>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
>> Jan Griffitts<br>
>> Visiting Scholar<br>
>> Dept. of Anthropology,<br>
>> Tucson,Arizona<br>
>><br>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: Bonetools [<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] on behalf of Karin<br>
>> Scott [<a href="mailto:kayscott@mweb.co.za">kayscott@mweb.co.za</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:13 AM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>
>> Subject: [Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools<br>
>><br>
>> Dear List<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you to Alice for adding me.<br>
>> I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing my<br>
>> Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare<br>
>> species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus saxatilis<br>
>> (scrub hare) .<br>
>> Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal assemblages<br>
>> here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my osteology<br>
>> research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try and<br>
>> explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an article<br>
>> that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone tools.<br>
>> It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones. Hares<br>
>> were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items such as<br>
>> clothing.<br>
>> I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the use<br>
>> of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a starting<br>
>> point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always present<br>
>> on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the diet.<br>
>> I thank you in advance for your assistance.<br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>> Karin<br>
>> Never argue with a dragon<br>
>> For thou art crunchy<br>
>> and goes well with cheese<br>
>><br>
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