<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5666">Thank you Vinayak. I have received many suggestions of publications to look at, and if they contain any answer to that specific question I will let you know for sure.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5667"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5668" dir="ltr">Best,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5669" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5670" dir="ltr">Christian<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5513"><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5517" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5516" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5515" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5514" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5518" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> vinayak vinayak <vinayakinramjas@yahoo.co.in><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> "bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> vendredi 19 décembre 2014 8h58<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Bonetools] Bonetools Digest, Vol 105, Issue 5<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5673" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2056405854"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5672"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1419005318515_5671" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:14px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759">Hi <span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8958">Christian</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_9214">Regarding your third question, I know some publications but they are not anthropological work instead they generally deals with laboratary work. Another thing is that in North India we frequently found heated bone objects from prehistoric and early historic periods. But problem is that no study has been conducted about this aspect and I am also looking to trace down the technology used by ancient people in my Ph.D. For this purpose I also conducted an small experiment during my M.Phil. but what I noticed that heat generally make's bone more brittle instead making it stronger. Thus, in my thinking ancient people might used some different technique to heat these bone objects. If you have any other knowledge about this aspect than I will be pleased, if you can share it with me. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">Best </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">VINAYAK</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">Centre for Historical Studies</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">School of Social Sciences</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">Jawaharlal Nehru University</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2056405854yui_3_16_0_1_1418995622302_8759"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv2056405854">Delhi-110067, India </span></div> <div class="yiv2056405854qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv2056405854yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:14px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:12px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, 19 December 2014 4:30 PM, "bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu" <bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="yiv2056405854y_msg_container">Send Bonetools mailing list submissions to<br> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bonetools-owner@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools-owner@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-owner@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Bonetools digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Three questions (Margaris, Amy V.)<br> 2. Re: Three questions (Alice Choyke)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:49:41 -0500<br>From: "Margaris, Amy V." <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:amy.margaris@oberlin.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:amy.margaris@oberlin.edu">amy.margaris@oberlin.edu</a>><br>To: Christian Gates St-Pierre <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr">cgates70@yahoo.fr</a>>, "Mailing list for<br> archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste<br> of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Three questions<br>Message-ID:<br> <CA+UozuN90nKp2T8wLoVQTNYGvXJNRU9_oYN=<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Jg-i75nKO0Dp4Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Jg-i75nKO0Dp4Q@mail.gmail.com">Jg-i75nKO0Dp4Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi Christian,<br>In response to your first question: there's evidence of indigenous Alutiiq<br>peoples of Alaska using beaver and marmot incisors as carving bits. I<br>don't know if actual use-wear analysis has been done on them though.<br><br>For more info, you can go to this website and do a page search for the word<br>"incisor."<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.afognak.org/heritage/history/history-intro.php?src=ancient-afognak">http://www.afognak.org/heritage/history/history-intro.php?src=ancient-afognak</a><br><br>And here's the reference for Bob Kopperl's dissertation that talks about<br>marmot incisor tools as the Rice Ridge site, specifically:<br>Kopperl, Robert E.<br>2003 Cultural Complexity and Resource Intensification on Kodiak Island,<br>Alaska. Ph.D. dissertation, University of Washington. University<br>Microfilms, Ann Arbor.<br><br>Hope this helps!<br>Amy<br><br>On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Christian Gates St-Pierre <<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr">cgates70@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hello everyone,<br>><br>> I have three questions for the price of one!<br>><br>> First: does anyone know about some use-wear analysis on bone tools made<br>> out of beaver incisors? (beside Parmigiani & Alvarez-Soncini [2014], of<br>> which I already have a copy).<br>><br>> Second: does anyone have a pdf copy of the following (it is not available<br>> through our network of North American university libraries, and I can't<br>> find it on the web): *P?trequin & Rachez (1997), ?Un biseau naturel:<br>> l'incisive de castor?, in Les sites littoraux n?olithqiues de Clarivaux et<br>> de Chalain (Jura), III, Chalain station 3, 3200-2900 av. J.C.* (published<br>> by the Maison des sciences de l'Homme, in Paris)?<br>><br>> Third: does anyone know about some recent publications dealing with the<br>> use of heat (fire) as a technique of hardening (and darkening) bone<br>> materials/bone tools, especially in opposition to the total carbonisation<br>> of bones which will have the opposing effect (i.e. weakening the bone<br>> structure and triggering it's fragmentation)? I know of some ?old?<br>> references (pre-year 2000), but I was wondering if there was some more<br>> recent publications on this precise subject?<br>><br>> Any help regarding anyone of these queries would be greatly appreciated!<br>><br>> Thanks in advance and Happy Holidays to all!<br>><br>> Christian<br>><br>><br>> *Christian Gates St-Pierre*, PhD<br>> Invited Researcher<br>> D?partement d'anthropologie<br>> Universit? de Montr?al<br>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca">christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca</a><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bonetools mailing list<br>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>><br>><br><br>-- <br>Amy V. Margaris<br>Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>Oberlin College<br><br>Fall 2014 Office Hours:<br>MWF 3:30-4:30 or by appointment<br>King 302<br><br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://new.oberlin.edu/arts-and-sciences/departments/anthropology/">http://new.oberlin.edu/arts-and-sciences/departments/anthropology/</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20141218/cc0c19ad/attachment-0001.html">https://listserv.niif.hu/pipermail/bonetools/attachments/20141218/cc0c19ad/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:10:16 +0100<br>From: Alice Choyke <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:choyke@ceu.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:choyke@ceu.hu">choyke@ceu.hu</a>><br>To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the<br> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."<br> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Three questions<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAPO9sr=Z9meNCCZcgG2nNr+<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:AM8cUDuD5Sa7kbu2XqKs7xSkrOA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:AM8cUDuD5Sa7kbu2XqKs7xSkrOA@mail.gmail.com">AM8cUDuD5Sa7kbu2XqKs7xSkrOA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>And I believe there are several 19th c. ethnographies that describe the<br>same thing. I will check my references tomorrow and let you know - thanks<br>for the reminder.<br><br>Alice<br><br>On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Margaris, Amy V. <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:amy.margaris@oberlin.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:amy.margaris@oberlin.edu">amy.margaris@oberlin.edu</a>><br>wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Christian,<br>> In response to your first question: there's evidence of indigenous Alutiiq<br>> peoples of Alaska using beaver and marmot incisors as carving bits. I<br>> don't know if actual use-wear analysis has been done on them though.<br>><br>> For more info, you can go to this website and do a page search for the<br>> word "incisor."<br>><br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.afognak.org/heritage/history/history-intro.php?src=ancient-afognak">http://www.afognak.org/heritage/history/history-intro.php?src=ancient-afognak</a><br>><br>> And here's the reference for Bob Kopperl's dissertation that talks about<br>> marmot incisor tools as the Rice Ridge site, specifically:<br>> Kopperl, Robert E.<br>> 2003 Cultural Complexity and Resource Intensification on Kodiak Island,<br>> Alaska. Ph.D. dissertation, University of Washington. University<br>> Microfilms, Ann Arbor.<br>><br>> Hope this helps!<br>> Amy<br>><br>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Christian Gates St-Pierre <<br>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:cgates70@yahoo.fr">cgates70@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Hello everyone,<br>>><br>>> I have three questions for the price of one!<br>>><br>>> First: does anyone know about some use-wear analysis on bone tools made<br>>> out of beaver incisors? (beside Parmigiani & Alvarez-Soncini [2014], of<br>>> which I already have a copy).<br>>><br>>> Second: does anyone have a pdf copy of the following (it is not available<br>>> through our network of North American university libraries, and I can't<br>>> find it on the web): *P?trequin & Rachez (1997), ?Un biseau naturel:<br>>> l'incisive de castor?, in Les sites littoraux n?olithqiues de Clarivaux et<br>>> de Chalain (Jura), III, Chalain station 3, 3200-2900 av. J.C.*<br>>> (published by the Maison des sciences de l'Homme, in Paris)?<br>>><br>>> Third: does anyone know about some recent publications dealing with the<br>>> use of heat (fire) as a technique of hardening (and darkening) bone<br>>> materials/bone tools, especially in opposition to the total carbonisation<br>>> of bones which will have the opposing effect (i.e. weakening the bone<br>>> structure and triggering it's fragmentation)? I know of some ?old?<br>>> references (pre-year 2000), but I was wondering if there was some more<br>>> recent publications on this precise subject?<br>>><br>>> Any help regarding anyone of these queries would be greatly appreciated!<br>>><br>>> Thanks in advance and Happy Holidays to all!<br>>><br>>> Christian<br>>><br>>><br>>> *Christian Gates St-Pierre*, PhD<br>>> Invited Researcher<br>>> D?partement d'anthropologie<br>>> Universit? de Montr?al<br>>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca">christian.gates-st-pierre@umontreal.ca</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Bonetools mailing list<br>>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>> --<br>> Amy V. 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