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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 21/11/2014 16:56, Christian
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Dear Josje,
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<div>while I have no idea about the function of Johnny Karlssons
finds, your question of the function of the hole at the proximal
end of a skate can be solved. These type of bone skates is not
rare and there are several ones found with a peg still inside
the hole.</div>
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What is the ratio of number of holes and number of metapodial
elements of the bone ? Always 1/1 on equid bones and 2/2 on bovid or
may it be 1/2 on bovid ?<br>
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<div> Check the paper I wrote with Petar Zidarov for the
WBRG-Tallinn volume and the bone skates database for related
finds and references at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.knochenarbeit.de/eigene_arbeiten/skating_on_bones.pdf">http://www.knochenarbeit.de/eigene_arbeiten/skating_on_bones.pdf</a></div>
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<div>Am 21.11.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Josje van Leeuwen:</div>
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<div>Dear mr. Karlsson,</div>
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<div>The bones you showed are new to me, but I have found
something similar in Medemblik, the Netherlands (a
medieval trading settlement). It was a metacarpal horse
bone with a single hole in the proximal end. The distal
end had two holes just under the joint, probably used to
bind it to something. It was clearly used as an
iceskate, but I couldn't see how they would attach it to
a foot with a hole in the distal end... My
interpretation is that it was probably used as skates
for a sled (with two such bones placed one in front of
the other with perhaps a stick in between). I have never
seen anything like it, though, and perhaps it is similar
in a way to your find. It dates to around 1100.</div>
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<div>I look forward to other reactions!</div>
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<div>Yours sincerely,</div>
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<div>Josje van Leeuwen</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-21 15:44 GMT+01:00 Johnny
Karlsson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I hope you
can help me with some odd bone objects from
medieval <span>Sigtuna</span> in Sweden. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">During a
research on medieval bone skates from the
town, I and a colleague came across some bones
that seem to have another function at least
primary. It is only metacarpal bones from
cattle and they have two holes at the proximal
joint, see photo. The holes are uneven and
look carved rather than drilled. Usually the
holes reach the medullar cavity. In two cases
it is evident that the bones secondary have
been used as skates, in two other cases they
exhibit transverse striations on the <span>diaphysis</span>
(see photo). But the majority of them show no
sign of use at all except these two proximal
holes. We identified about twenty of them from
one particular trench in layers dating to the
12<sup>th</sup> century, but they do appear in
smaller numbers in other parts of town.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Has anyone
of you seen something similar? Does anyone
know their function?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank you
in advance,<br>
Johnny <span>Karlsson</span></span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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