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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">J'ai très peu de temps ce matin.<br>
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Je voudrais repartir de l'expérience que j'ai de l'espadon :<br>
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1975 - Restes de rostre d'Espadon trouvés dans un gisement
néolithique de
l'étang de Leucate (Aude). <i
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<![endif]-->Je demande qu'on me ressorte des pièces. A bientôt.<br>
<br>
Marina Evora, écrivez-moi en portugais, ce sera mieux.<br>
<br>
Expliquez-moi bien comment est fait le trou : est-il foré par
l'homme (is it drilled), ou bien est-ce un conduit naturel, avec
une paroi propre, comme il semble (mais sur une très petite
surface) sur vos photos ?<br>
J'ai le souvenir - très mauvais souvenir - de photographies d'une
diaphyse présentant des trous ronds, avec un commentaire qui
parlait de forage ("drilled"), et qui était un commentaire
tromper. Les trous étaient creusés par des larves.<br>
<br>
I do like to help, but please, help me to help you. <br>
<br>
<br>
Le 09/07/2014 22:12, Sonia O'Connor a écrit :<br>
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<p>Dear Amy,<br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>There is not much compact tissue like this in a whale except
in the rib or the jaw of toothed cetacean, such as sperm
whale. <span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);">The object is small and entirely worked so to
determine the species it would be necessary to undertake
proteomics or DNA studies. </span>These are secondary
osteon structures. They develop in mammal bone as it matures,
overwriting the original fibrolamellar structure of the bone
to a greater or lesser extent. In whale they <span
style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
completely obliterate the original lamellar structure of the
bone and there is no</span> interstitial bone between them.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The picture attached is a side view of the same object.
Sorry I do not have such a close-up view of it but each
division on the scale is a millimetre.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>All the best,<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Sonia<br>
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<p> <br>
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Dr Sonia O'Connor <font size="1">PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary
Visiting Fellow, University of York</font>
<div>Post-doctoral Researcher</div>
<div>Archaeological Sciences</div>
<div>Division of AGES</div>
<div>University of Bradford</div>
<div>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tel 01274 236498</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 09 July 2014 20:00<br>
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group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler.
ivory and horn.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] identification of raw
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<div>Thanks Sonia! <br>
Do you have a side view to share of this same object? I
am wondering what these features (the Haversian canals?)
look like in profile at this scale.<br>
Also, what species and element are we looking at? <br>
<br>
</div>
Amy<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM,
Sonia O'Connor <span dir="ltr">
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<p>Dear Amy,<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>If I have got the scale right and this object
is c 7 mm in diameter, then the features are
too small for even a small species of whale.
Also the structure is not like that of mammal
bone. Here is a picture of mature cetacean
bone.<br>
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<p><br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<div name="divtagdefaultwrapper">Dr Sonia
O'Connor <font size="1">PhD FSA FIIC ACR
Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of
York</font>
<div>Post-doctoral Researcher</div>
<div>Archaeological Sciences</div>
<div>Division of AGES</div>
<div>University of Bradford</div>
<div>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tel 01274 236498</div>
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<div>Dear Marina,<br>
<br>
Could your object be made of
cetacean bone? <br>
<br>
I can't account for the curious
pattern along its cross-section
(reminds me of tooth/ivory?) but the
parallel striae on the rounded outer
surface (in your third original
attachment) look to me like the
relatively porous regions whale
bone.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Amy<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
and p.s. to Sonia O'Connor: wow,
cuttlefish shell is beautiful!<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul
9, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Sonia O'Connor
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Dear Marina,<br>
As the lines are part of the
material this feature confirms
that this is definitely not
antler.<br>
<div><br>
Sonia<br>
<br>
Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC
ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow,
University of York<br>
Post-doctoral Researcher<br>
Archaeological Sciences<br>
Division of AGES<br>
</div>
<div>University of Bradford<br>
Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7
1DP<br>
<br>
</div>
Tel 01274 236498<br>
<br>
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Hi Sonia,<br>
<br>
Those lines are part of the
material, and it's because of
them that I<br>
have doubts about the raw
material...<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
best<br>
Marina<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting Sonia O'Connor <<a
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href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk"
target="_blank">S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Dear Marina,<br>
><br>
> I'm not sure what it is
from these images. I cannot
confirm antler.<br>
> Please can you explain
the features indicated in the
image I have<br>
> sent back to you.<br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
><br>
> Sonia<br>
><br>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA
FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting
Fellow,<br>
> University of York<br>
> Post-doctoral Researcher<br>
> Archaeological Sciences<br>
> Division of AGES,<br>
> University of Bradford<br>
> Bradford, West Yorkshire,
BD7 1DP, UK<br>
><br>
> tel 01274 23 6498<br>
><br>
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> We found this round
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