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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/07/2014 21:09,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marinaevora@sapo.pt">marinaevora@sapo.pt</a> a écrit :<br>
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<p>Next week I will be able to look at this rounded artefact
again, it is the laboratory. I will check what you suggest and
get back to you. I remember that the outer surface is the same
all around, yes. But the hole in the center looks very "perfect"
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EXPLAIN !<br>
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cite="mid:20140708200905.Horde.Zd3VQ6eWCxtTvEHRr9yh68A@mail.sapo.pt"
type="cite">
<p>and the lines are in both sides and I don't think they resulted
from scraping,</p>
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Je n'ai pas voulu dire cela. I did wqnt to say that ; my question is
: did this area where the lines are pecularly clear be cleaned.
cleaned/abraded by cleaning ? <br>
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cite="mid:20140708200905.Horde.Zd3VQ6eWCxtTvEHRr9yh68A@mail.sapo.pt"
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<p> they seem natural...<br>
<br>
thank you.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Quoting François Poplin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:poplin@mnhn.fr">poplin@mnhn.fr</a>>:</p>
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blue;margin-left:8px;padding-left:8px;" type="cite">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Generally speaking, the (outer)
skeleton of invertebrates is rather hard (like shell,
limestone) and bone lighter, softer. When you test them with a
nail, you feel the the first will bite the nail, an that
second will be rather bited, stripped by the nail. The firs
sounds "clear, heigh" on a glass table, and the second "dim,
low" (a difference you get between heigh and low heated/cooked
ceramic). Have you any impression of that kind ?<br>
<br>
AND<br>
I come back to the first three pictures. At a first glimpse, I
had the impression that the "hole/central channel" had been
drilled - but no : on views 1 and 2, I see as a wall, a sort
of lining, more or less as outside (view 3). I have to
consider a naturaly holowed cylinder, a tube or a muff
deposited on a (desapeared/decayed) rod - but the lines of
picture 2 dont agree... Has the object been scraped (nowadays)
on the left part (fig. 2) so as the lines are more clear ? Was
it easy to scrape...? ( go back to the beginning).<br>
<br>
It lets me remember of fish hyperostosis, of the filling of
swordfish rostrum/bill... <br>
Maybe a big part of lamellary fish bone growing and taking in
an artery (or some other "ductus")...<br>
<br>
[as far as I know, there is no pipe-like penis bone...]<br>
<br>
Is the outer surface the same all around the thing ? Would
you say that the outer is carved/cut by man ?<br>
<br>
!!!<br>
<br>
Le 08/07/2014 14:14, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Dear François and Paul,<br>
<br>
The site is close to the Atlantic ocean, more or less 3km
currently. And during the UP it wouldn't be very far from
the ocean either.<br>
Thank you for the images you sent Paul.<br>
<br>
best<br>
Marina<br>
</p>
<p>Quoting François Poplin <<a href="mailto:poplin@mnhn.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">poplin@mnhn.fr</a>>:</p>
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<p>I don't see figure of repeated layering as in the image I
was speaking of previously.<br>
That king of layering in "spongy bone" can be (roughly)
observed in ossifed costo-sternebral cartilages. But...<br>
<br>
<span>To All,</span></p>
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<div><span>Looks like it did not work will need to add
each photo as an attachment not part of text from a
word doc.</span></div>
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<div><span>Hope this works,</span></div>
<div> </div>
<div><span>Paul Stokes</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Monday, 7 July 2014, 21:08, Paul
Stokes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:escoffier1951@yahoo.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><escoffier1951@yahoo.co.uk></a>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<br>
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<div
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_4"><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_8">To All,</span></div>
<div
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_11"> </div>
<div
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_11"><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10">I've just spent 15mins
to trim, soak in boiling water
5mins to soften and cut a slice
of antler found laying about the
house </span></div>
<div
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_1_1404762556174_5712"><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> </span></span></div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_11"> </div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_1_1404762556174_4551">
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>These
are the views of slice of
antler cut with a saw with 7
teeth per cm. x200 digital
microscope</span></span></div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> </span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span><img
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height="177" width="236"><img
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height="179" width="239"><img
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height="179" width="238"><img
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height="175" width="240"></span></span></div>
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<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> The
attached is photograph of the
slice and the piece of antler
it was cut from</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10">Regards</span></div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_17"> </div>
<div
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_11"><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10">Paul Stokes</span></div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10">On
Monday, 7 July 2014,
14:03, Sonia O'Connor
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class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk></a>
wrote:</span></div>
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<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Definitely
not cuttlefish
bone/shell. I
attach a
photomicrograph
of cuttlefish
shell.</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> </span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>All
the best,</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> </span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Sonia</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span> </span></span></div>
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<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Dr
Sonia O'Connor</span>
<span>PhD FSA
FIIC ACR
Honorary
Visiting
Fellow,
University of
York</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Post-doctoral
Researcher</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Archaeological
Sciences</span></span></div>
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id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Division
of AGES, </span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>University
of Bradford</span></span></div>
<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10"><span>Bradford,
West
Yorkshire, BD7
1DP, UK</span></span></div>
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<b>On Behalf
Of</b>
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<b>Sent:</b>
07 July 2014
12:53<br>
<b>To:</b>
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archaeologists
of the
research group
for the study
of object and
waste of bone,
antler. ivory
and horn.<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Bonetools]
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of raw
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<div><span
id="yiv2724173303yui_3_16_0_5_1404762556174_10">Is
it far away
from the ocean
? can you tell
wheher it's
rather calcium
carbonate than
phosphate ?
The second
picture here
lets me
remember of
some
invertebrate
constructions.
Unfortunatley,
I have even
not a simple
broken
cuttle-fish
"bone"/shell
to go on that
way of
investigation.<br>
<br>
Le 04/07/2014
16:12, <a
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all,<br>
<br>
We found this
round artifact
in an upper
paleolithic
site. I would
like to hear
your opinions
about the
identification
of the raw
material. The
images were
taken with a
binocular
microscope.<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
<br>
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