<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Dear Boris, <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Thank you for your paper! <br><br>(para mi, Español no es un problema-¡muchas gracias!)<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">selena<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 April 2014 21:55, Boris Santander Pizarro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boris.santander@gmail.com" target="_blank">boris.santander@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Selena for your work, I enjoyed a lot reading it!<br>
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About bone compressors for lithic debitage, we had published a few months ago a paper about SEM microscopy applied to bone tools with some interesting pictures of retouchers from Chile. Sadly, is just in spanish, but the pictures might be useful for someone.<br>
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<a href="http://www.revistadeantropologia.uchile.cl/index.php/RCA/article/viewFile/26557/28012" target="_blank">http://www.<u></u>revistadeantropologia.uchile.<u></u>cl/index.php/RCA/article/<u></u>viewFile/26557/28012</a><br>
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Boris<br>
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From: Selena Vitezovi? <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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Few months ago I asked for help related to antler retouching tools. Thanks<br>
again for everyone who helped me and all the references you shared with me.<br>
I am pleased to inform you that my paper is now published and is available<br>
in open access: <a href="http://haemus.mk/haemus-journal-vol-2-2013-vitezovic/" target="_blank">http://haemus.mk/haemus-<u></u>journal-vol-2-2013-vitezovic/</a><br>
Below the abstract is the link for pdf.<br>
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best regards, Selena<br>
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On 6 October 2013 15:44, Selena Vitezovi? <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear J?rg,<br>
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Thank you for the response and the article, such an interesting article is<br>
never too late.<br>
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best, Selena<br>
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On 6 October 2013 12:43, J?rg Schibler <<a href="mailto:joerg.schibler@unibas.ch" target="_blank">joerg.schibler@unibas.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Selena,<br>
sorry for the late response. Retouching tools made of antler splinters<br>
are very common in Neolithic Swiss lakeshore sites (4300-2400 BC). Normally<br>
they are made of splitters, have a hole for fixing them at a belt (or<br>
somewhere) and could be also decorated (engraved) (see figure 20.4.<br>
examples 27 and 28). There exist also a few examples made of the end of<br>
antler tines with a hole at the end. I send you an overview article with a<br>
picture of an example made of a antler splinter and some more references in<br>
the list.<br>
All the best!<br>
J?rg<br>
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Am 04.10.2013 um 14:01 schrieb Selena Vitezovi? <<br>
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Spasibo, Mikhail, I will take a look.<br>
<br>
best, selena<br>
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On 4 October 2013 09:18, ????? ?????? <<a href="mailto:mizhilin@yandex.ru" target="_blank">mizhilin@yandex.ru</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Selena,<br>
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visit my website: <a href="http://www.mizhilin.narod.ru" target="_blank">www.mizhilin.narod.ru</a><br>
You'll find there some photos and publications of mesolithic bone and<br>
antler artefacts, among them pressure flakes of various types.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
Mikhail Zhilin<br>
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03.10.2013, 18:17, "Selena Vitezovi?" <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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Antler retouching tools ocurr here and there in prehistoric Europe, I<br>
have few pieces from Star?evo culture sites and few from Iron Gates<br>
Mesolithic sites, although the example from Donja Branjevina (on photo) is<br>
the most elaborate one, others are more ad hoc and some are just broken<br>
antler tools secondary used for flint retouching. The most interesting<br>
thing about the Iceman's object is that it has a haft, and that it was,<br>
evidently, a planned tool, used repeatidly, and even carried around, not<br>
abandoned on the place of use. Therefore I am grateful for any information<br>
about the references.<br>
Another interesting thing, Lena, is that antler retouching tools seem to<br>
be present in Mesolithic and Early/Middle Neolithic (unlike ad hoc used<br>
bones in the Palaeolithic times), and dissapear from later Neolithic<br>
onwards (so far I haven't seen any in Vin?a culture assemblages). But this<br>
is a completely different topic.<br>
Looking forward to get more the references on Iceman.<br>
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thanks and all the best, selena<br>
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On 2 October 2013 19:10, Lena Strid <<a href="mailto:lena.strid@oxfordarch.co.uk" target="_blank">lena.strid@oxfordarch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Dale,<br>
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Similar antler tools ("tryckstock") have been found at the mesolithic<br>
sites at T?gerup and Motala, both in Sweden, a few years ago. The T?gerup<br>
excavations have been published (Per Karsten & Bo Knarrstr?m 2003, The<br>
T?gerup Excavations. Part of the series "Sk?nska sp?r - arkeologi l?ngs<br>
V?stkustbanan"), but the Motala excavations are I believe ongoing. It might<br>
be worth contacting the local excavation unit* to see if they can give you<br>
more information.<br>
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*: National Heritage Board excavation unit, eastern Sweden: <a href="mailto:uvost@raa.se" target="_blank">uvost@raa.se</a><br>
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/Lena<br>
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Dear Selena,<br>
The tool is described in 'The Man in the Ice' by Spindler (p.105). He<br>
described it as a piece of lime wood with a hole drilled down the middle<br>
with a rod or spike of antler inserted into the hole. The fact that it<br>
was antler was confirmed by Angela von den Driesch. The tip of the rod<br>
had been hardened by fire to strengthen it and was a blackish colour.<br>
The rod or spike was 5.1 cm long and 5 mm in diameter.<br>
<br>
I have got a copy of the catalogue from the display in Bolzano and it<br>
does contain a good colour photo of the retoucheur. If you would like a<br>
scan, I can do that when I next have access to a scanner.<br>
<br>
The catalogue says that nothing similar has been found elsewhere. Have<br>
you found an antler rod which might be from a similar tool? I wonder if<br>
anyone else has since found a similar rod.<br>
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Best<br>
Dale<br>
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Dale Serjeantson FSA, MIFA, MA<br>
Archaeology Faculty of Humanities<br>
University of Southampton<br>
Southampton S017 1BJ<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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Two years ago, I saw and exhibition on Otzi, the Iceman, in Historical<br>
museum in Oslo (exhibition was a visiting one, but I do not recall who<br>
originally made it, I saw it while attending EAA conference in Oslo).<br>
There I saw the replicas of some items found in Iceman's pockets,<br>
including a retouching tool made from antler. However, this was an<br>
exhibition without accompanying catalogue, and I was wondering if anyone<br>
can help mi with reference for this information?<br>
Perhaps the same exhibition was held in some other museum with a<br>
catalogue: I tried to find any data on papers published on Otzi, which<br>
are quite numerous, but so far I haven't encountered any mention of<br>
antler retouching tool.<br>
Any help is welcome, thank you.<br>
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Best regards, Selena Vitezovi?<br>
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