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Dear David,</font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>I am new to this group but not new to experimental
archaeology, I’ve been messing around with very many different materials for
some thirty odd years. Last year I over dyed a Manx Loaghtan fleece, (light
brown), with a dye bath of Weld (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Reseda
luteola</i>), copper sulphate and ammonia, the end result was a nice bright
green. The pan that I was using was aluminium it also turned a blue green the
next thing I used the pan for was to boil up four sheep’s legs in the wool. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Only wanting the Tibia and the metapodials for
my current project, I left the phalanges in the pan and forgot them for about a
month in that time they picked up a green stain from the pan. Unfortunately not
wanting them for anything I threw them away as I can get plenty more from the
local knackers yard. I would suggest it was more likely to have been the copper
that stained them, as the pan still as a blue in colour. </span></div><div style='margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Regards,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div><div><font size="3">
Paul Stokes</font></div></span><div><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, 16 April 2014, 22:07, David Constantine <dkconstantine@btinternet.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2329385685"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div>I am aware that copper (or alloys) is often cited as a green dye for (such as in MacGregor 1985), but I believe there is also recipes from the Mappae Clavicula that use weld, urine and "lulax" to dye bone green, so I was curious to see if any chemical analysis has been performed to determine how the green
has been achieved.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Looking at the zoomed images, I believe the rivets are iron.</div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Regards, </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">David Constantine </span></div><div><br
clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style='font-family: "times new roman", "new york", times, serif; font-size: 12pt;'> <div class="yiv2329385685yqt8033279732" id="yiv2329385685yqt93364"><div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Kordula Gostencnik <kgosten@gmail.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 April 2014, 20:21<br clear="none"> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bonetools] Colouring bone<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv2329385685y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2329385685"><div dir="ltr"><div>Green stains are normally caused by bronze objects or copper alloy scrap associated with worked bones in the soil. Are the rivets all made from iron or also from bronze?</div><div> </div><div>Kordula</div>
</div><div class="yiv2329385685gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2329385685gmail_quote">2014-04-16 17:15 GMT+02:00 Dave Constantine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dkconstantine@btinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dkconstantine@btinternet.com">dkconstantine@btinternet.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none">
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<div>Thank you all for your replies. </div>
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<div>Vincent, the green stained comb you linked is rather interesting. Do you
know what the green pigment is? Also, looking at the images, it seems that it is
no more than a surface colourant with little penetration, is this correct?
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<div>Thank you for your suggestion of minium, I was at a loss about what it
could be. It is not a fresh find, it was originally discovered in the 1960s (or
possibly 1970s) and mounted on a card for display. To the best of my knowledge
though, the colouring is original, though it is possible that the surface was
also coloured and this has simply failed to survive.</div>
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<div>I have Arthur MacGregor’s book, and very useful it is too on the matter of
colouring. </div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br clear="none">David Constantine</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:03 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] Colouring bone</div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>this is a first where I might be able to contribute to this group, but I'm
happy to do so:</div>
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<div>In 2008 I have conserved and restored 8 bone/antler combs from the
Merovingian period at the Royal Institute for Cultural Heritage (Brussels,
Belgium). These combs are currently preserved at the Royal Museums of Art and
History in Brussels, Belgium.</div>
<div>Here you can find pictures of a few of them (click on the pictures to get a
zoomable high resolution image):</div>
<div><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X026849&objnr=20042741<br clear="none"></a></div>
<div><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X035781&objnr=20052916
(green staining on the surface, carbon black in the circular
motives)<br clear="none"></a></div>
<div><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X026845&objnr=20052917<br clear="none"></a></div>
<div><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X038388&objnr=20052919<br clear="none"></a></div>
<div><a href="http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X035783&objnr=20052922" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://balat.kikirpa.be/photo.php?path=X035783&objnr=20052922</a><br clear="none"></div>
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<div>Some of these where coloured and stained with green and carbon black. We
used µ-XRF, µ-RAMAN and SEM(-EDX) to analyse the stains and the carbon black
particles.</div>
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<div>So staining and colouring isn't that uncommon, as you probably already
know.</div>
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<div>When I look at the picture, I can see that the red is slightly orange,
which makes me think about the pigment lead red (also called 'minium' or lead
tetra-oxide, Pb<font size="1">3</font>O<font size="1">4</font>). This isn't a
surprise since it is one of the oldest known vivid red pigments (except for some
iron oxide pigments derived from hematite and red earth or cinnabar (HgS),
however they all are true 'reddish' in colour and lack the hint of orange).
</div>
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<div>Some simple identification techniques for minium are: </div>
<div>
<ul><li>Ultraviolet fluorescence (if minium, it minium it should show a dark red
colouration);<br clear="none">
</li><li>Infrared False Color which should gives the observed minium a yellow-brown
colour. </li></ul>Analytical techniques:<br clear="none">In case you have the oppurtunity to
analyse it with RAMAN, you can find a reference spectrum <a href="http://www.chem.ucl.ac.uk/resources/raman/pigfiles/redlead.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">here</a>.<br clear="none">For
a reference spectrum of minium using XRF: <a href="http://cameo.mfa.org/images/8/82/Slide16_FC199.PNG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">here</a>.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div>Another thing is the question whether this die was excavated and brought
directly to your collection or was it once part of a (private)collection and
excavated a long time ago. </div>
<div>This is an important question since it could provide an answer to whether
or not this colouration is original.</div>
<div>I know from my experiences with the conservation of precious ivory objects
that they are often repainted (repolychromed) throughout time, even though their
iconography or typology gives us reasons to believe that they originally weren't
polychromed or not polychromed in such manner as they are today. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>To get back on the minium pigment, more information can be found in:</div>
<div>
<div>
<ul><li>Eastaugh, N., Walsh, V., Chaplin, T., & Siddall, R. (2008). Pigment
Compendium - A Dictionary and Optical Microscopy of Historical Pigments.
Oxford: Butterworth-Heinemann.<br clear="none">
</li><li>Feller, R. L., Gettens, R. J., & Chase, W. T. (1993). Vermilion and
Cinnabar. In R. Ashok, Artists' Pigments - A Handbook of Their History and
Characteristics. (Vol. II, pp. 159-182). Washington-London: National Gallery
of Art. </li></ul></div></div>
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<div>Another book I can recommend on staining and colouring bone materials is:
McGregor. A. (1985) Bone, Antler, Ivory & Horn: The Technology of Skeletal
Materials Since the Roman Period. </div>
<div>I don't have it here with me for the moment, but as you wish, I can always
go through it to find more information on red staining or colouring. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Yours,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Vincent Cattersel</div>
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<div class="yiv2329385685gmail_quote">On 15 April 2014 09:06, David Constantine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dkconstantine@btinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dkconstantine@btinternet.com">dkconstantine@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><font face="Calibri">Hello All, </font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Attached is an image of a (probably) Saxon bone/antler
die. As can be seen, there is reddish pigmentation in the decoration. I have
looked around for similar colouring and with the exception of a "lucet" from
London I cannot seem to find anything similar, just totally stained objects
e.g. the belt buckle from York. Does anyone here know of any Early Medieval
dated bone artefacts that are either entirely stained/dyed or have coloured
decoration such as this?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Regards,</font></div>
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