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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Dear all,<BR> <BR>On the scan it is not visible, but in the book it clearly shows that it is bone. All examples that I have seen (from Amsterdam for example) are made of bone. We have to be careful with identifications in books unfortunately.<BR>Sonia, thanks for the ivory examples!<BR> <BR>Best wishes,<BR>Marloes<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk<br>To: bonetools@listserv.niif.hu<br>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:20:28 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone objects<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Thanks Marloes. I guess this means that you have now seen this one yourself. It is a shame the data in the 1987 publication is wrong. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>The ones I have mentioned were examined by me and the visible structures left no doubt about the identifications.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Sonia</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Dr Sonia O'Connor </span><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 8pt;'>PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York</span><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Post-doctoral Research Fellow</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Archaeological Sciences</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Division of AGES, </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>University of Bradford</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>fax 01274 23 5210</span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu [mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marloes<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 February 2014 10:08<br><b>To:</b> bonetools@listserv.niif.hu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] bone objects</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Dear all,<br> <br>The one pictured in Van Vilsteren is made of bone, not of walrusivory. <br> <br>Best wishes, Marloes<br> </span></p><div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><hr width="100%" size="2" align="center" id="ecxstopSpelling"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>From: <a href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk">S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:00:25 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] bone objects</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Dear Etan,</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>When you sent the photo of the rings I wondered about the size of the larger ring as it seemed rather big to be turned from a transverse section of longbone . The smaller disks are clearly bone but I was wondering if the ring was ivory. I have seen these in elephant ivory and the one in the paper Heidi sent is also ivory, possibly walrus ivory. Unfortunately I cannot see any structures in your image of the large ring when I zoom in. Do you have any other photo’s that might show this?</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Sonia</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Dr Sonia O'Connor </span><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 8pt;'>PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Post-doctoral Research Fellow</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Archaeological Sciences</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Division of AGES, </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>University of Bradford</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>fax 01274 23 5210</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> <a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a> [<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Etan Ayalon<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 February 2014 05:44<br><b>To:</b> Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] bone objects</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Thanks, Marloes. You are right about the large ring, of course, but what about the small rings?</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> <a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a> [<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu">mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marloes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bonetools] bone objects</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Yes, these are all parts of a baby's comforter/pacifier!<br> <br>Found in Amsterdam dated to the 19th/20th century (with the rubber parts which are missing here)<br> <br>Best wishes,<br>Marloes<br> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><div align="center" class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><hr width="100%" size="2" align="center"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>From: <a href="mailto:etana@eretzmuseum.org.il">etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a><br>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:28:40 +0000<br>Subject: [Bonetools] bone objects</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Dear all,</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Here are some bone rings found in Jaffa, Israel by the Israel Antiquities Authority in a context of – probably – the beginning of the 20<sup>th</sup> century. In that time Palestine was already rather modernized, especially a port city like Jaffa. The objects could have been imported, mainly the large ring.</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Does anyone have any idea about the use of these rings, any parallels?</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Etan</span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'> </span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><br>_______________________________________________ Bonetools mailing list <a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a> <a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools" target="_blank">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a></span><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'></span></p></div></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><br>_______________________________________________ Bonetools mailing list <a href="mailto:Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu">Bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</a> <a href="https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools" target="_blank">https://listserv.niif.hu/mailman/listinfo/bonetools</a></span></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________
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