<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Jörg, <br><br></div>Thank you for the response and the article, such an interesting article is never too late. <br><br>best, Selena <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 6 October 2013 12:43, Jörg Schibler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joerg.schibler@unibas.ch" target="_blank">joerg.schibler@unibas.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Selena,
<div>sorry for the late response. Retouching tools made of antler splinters are very common in Neolithic Swiss lakeshore sites (4300-2400 BC). Normally they are made of splitters, have a hole for fixing them at a belt (or somewhere) and could be also decorated
(engraved) (see figure 20.4. examples 27 and 28). There exist also a few examples made of the end of antler tines with a hole at the end. I send you an overview article with a picture of an example made of a antler splinter and some more references in the
list.</div>
<div>All the best!</div>
<div>Jörg</div>
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<div>Am 04.10.2013 um 14:01 schrieb Selena Vitezović <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Spasibo, Mikhail, I will take a look. <br>
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best, selena <br>
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<div>On 4 October 2013 09:18, Жилин Михаил <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:mizhilin@yandex.ru" target="_blank">mizhilin@yandex.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Selena,</div>
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<div>visit my website: <a href="http://www.mizhilin.narod.ru/" target="_blank">www.mizhilin.narod.ru</a></div>
<div>You'll find there some photos and publications of mesolithic bone and antler artefacts, among them pressure flakes of various types.</div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div>Mikhail Zhilin</div>
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<div>03.10.2013, 18:17, "Selena Vitezović" <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>>:</div>
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<div>Antler retouching tools ocurr here and there in prehistoric Europe, I have few pieces from Starčevo culture sites and few from Iron Gates Mesolithic sites, although the example from Donja Branjevina (on photo) is the most elaborate one, others are more
ad hoc and some are just broken antler tools secondary used for flint retouching. The most interesting thing about the Iceman's object is that it has a haft, and that it was, evidently, a planned tool, used repeatidly, and even carried around, not abandoned
on the place of use. Therefore I am grateful for any information about the references.
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Another interesting thing, Lena, is that antler retouching tools seem to be present in Mesolithic and Early/Middle Neolithic (unlike ad hoc used bones in the Palaeolithic times), and dissapear from later Neolithic onwards (so far I haven't seen any in Vinča
culture assemblages). But this is a completely different topic. <br>
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Looking forward to get more the references on Iceman.<br>
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thanks and all the best, selena </div>
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<div>On 2 October 2013 19:10, Lena Strid <span><<a href="mailto:lena.strid@oxfordarch.co.uk" target="_blank">lena.strid@oxfordarch.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear Dale,<br>
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Similar antler tools ("tryckstock") have been found at the mesolithic sites at Tågerup and Motala, both in Sweden, a few years ago. The Tågerup excavations have been published (Per Karsten & Bo Knarrström 2003, The Tågerup Excavations. Part of the series "Skånska
spår - arkeologi längs Västkustbanan"), but the Motala excavations are I believe ongoing. It might be worth contacting the local excavation unit* to see if they can give you more information.<br>
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*: National Heritage Board excavation unit, eastern Sweden: <a href="mailto:uvost@raa.se" target="_blank">
uvost@raa.se</a><br>
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/Lena<br>
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Dear Selena,<br>
The tool is described in 'The Man in the Ice' by Spindler (p.105). He<br>
described it as a piece of lime wood with a hole drilled down the middle<br>
with a rod or spike of antler inserted into the hole. The fact that it<br>
was antler was confirmed by Angela von den Driesch. The tip of the rod<br>
had been hardened by fire to strengthen it and was a blackish colour.<br>
The rod or spike was 5.1 cm long and 5 mm in diameter.<br>
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I have got a copy of the catalogue from the display in Bolzano and it<br>
does contain a good colour photo of the retoucheur. If you would like a<br>
scan, I can do that when I next have access to a scanner.<br>
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The catalogue says that nothing similar has been found elsewhere. Have<br>
you found an antler rod which might be from a similar tool? I wonder if<br>
anyone else has since found a similar rod.<br>
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Best<br>
Dale<br>
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Dale Serjeantson FSA, MIFA, MA<br>
Archaeology Faculty of Humanities<br>
University of Southampton<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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Two years ago, I saw and exhibition on Otzi, the Iceman, in Historical<br>
museum in Oslo (exhibition was a visiting one, but I do not recall who<br>
originally made it, I saw it while attending EAA conference in Oslo).<br>
There I saw the replicas of some items found in Iceman's pockets,<br>
including a retouching tool made from antler. However, this was an<br>
exhibition without accompanying catalogue, and I was wondering if anyone<br>
can help mi with reference for this information?<br>
Perhaps the same exhibition was held in some other museum with a<br>
catalogue: I tried to find any data on papers published on Otzi, which<br>
are quite numerous, but so far I haven't encountered any mention of<br>
antler retouching tool.<br>
Any help is welcome, thank you.<br>
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Best regards, Selena Vitezović<br>
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