<div dir="ltr">Has the site at one time been submerged by seawater? The holes bare a simmilarity with the holes Barnea candida make in wood, stone and bone.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:19:07 +0100<br>
From: SA O'Connor <<a href="mailto:S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk">S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</a>><br>
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Dear Therese,<br>
<br>
Given the eroded appearance of the edges of the bone fragments and the<br>
crisp edges of the drilled holes, could these holes be modern? Could<br>
they be the result of post-excavation sampling?<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
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Sonia<br>
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Quoting Therese Ekholm <<a href="mailto:therese.ekholm@arkeologi.uu.se">therese.ekholm@arkeologi.uu.se</a>>:<br>
<br>
> To whom it may concern<br>
><br>
> My name is Therese Ekholm and I am a PhD student at Uppsala<br>
> University. I have some questions and I hope you can help me. In the<br>
> osteological material that I work with I found some strange holes in<br>
> the bones that can not be natural. The material is burnt and the<br>
> pieces of bones are very small in general and the bones with holes<br>
> are about one centimeter. The holes, that seem to be drilled, are<br>
> one to one and a half millimeters. The sides of the holes are not<br>
> damaged and do not have any traces of wear and tear. All of them are<br>
> drilled from the outer surface but not all of them are drilled all<br>
> the way through the bone. Do you have an idea of what it can be? I<br>
> send you some photos but I could only make them black and white with<br>
> the microscope. The site is dated to around 7000 BC and it is not<br>
> very common to find bones in that area, especially worked bones.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sincerely<br>
> Therese Ekholm<br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:45:23 +0200<br>
From: Eva David <<a href="mailto:eva.david@mae.u-paris10.fr">eva.david@mae.u-paris10.fr</a>><br>
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Dear Therese Ekholm,<br>
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Would it be possible that your fragments are related to a deposit made by animals (hyena, prey birds...) ?<br>
Some animals eat the bones and reject them in the form of tiny perforated pieces, just like yours as from the pictures you send.<br>
Firmly regular perforations issued then from chemical process of gastric juce contained in stomach that dissolves bone.<br>
Even large mammal bone/antler can be modified such a way, while these animals usually breaking the bones before eating them.<br>
<br>
Some references :<br>
-Peter Andrews (1990) Owls, caves and fossiles. Edmundsbury Press LtD.<br>
-Isabelle Robert and Jean-Denis Vigne (2002) The bearbed Vulture (Gypaetus barbatus) as an accumulator of archaeological bones. Late glacial assemblages and present-day reference datta in Corsica (western mediterranean). Journal of Archaeological Sciences 29.<br>
-Francesco d'Errico and Paola Villa (1997) Holes and grooves : the contribution of microscopy and taphonomy to the problem of art origins. Journal of human evolution 33.<br>
<br>
Hope you will find throughout theses publications method thank to which you can make evidences clear.<br>
With all my best regards,<br>
?va david<br>
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Le 29 sept. 2013 ? 18:42, Therese Ekholm a ?crit :<br>
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Dr. ?va DAVID<br>
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Laboratoire Pr?histoire et Technologie<br>
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Dear Therese,<br>
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seconding Eva, I am not sure if the holes you showed cannot be<br>
natural. They look very much like boreholes of insect larvae to me<br>
(most probably dermestid beatles). See the following references for<br>
comparable traces and also a picture below:<br>
<br>
Britt, Brooks B. / Scheetz, Rodney D. / Dangerfield, Anne (2008): A<br>
Suite of Dermestid Beetle Traces on dinosaur Bone from the Upper<br>
Jurassic Morrison Formation, Wyoming, USA<br>
<br>
BEHRENSMEYER, ANNA KAY (1978): Taphonomic and ecologic information<br>
from bone weathering. - Paleobiology 4(2), 150-162, Chicago<br>
<br>
Keiler, John Albrecht (2002): Bedeutende Fossilvorkommen des Quart?rs<br>
in Th?ringen. Teil 3: Insekten. ? Beitrage Geologie Th?ringen Neue<br>
Folge 9, 173-186<br>
<br>
Martin, Larry D. & West, Dixie L. (1995): The recognition and use of<br>
dermetsid (Insecta, Coleoptera) pupation chambers in paleoecology. ?<br>
Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 113, 303-310<br>
<br>
TOBIEN, HEINZ (1965): Insekten-Fra?spuren an terti?ren und<br>
pleistoz?nen S?ugetier-Knochen. - Senckenbergiana lethaea 46a,<br>
441-451, Frankfurt (Main)<br>
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Best<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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> To whom it may concern<br>
><br>
> My name is Therese Ekholm and I am a PhD student at Uppsala<br>
> University. I have some questions and I hope you can help me. In<br>
> the osteological material that I work with I found some strange<br>
> holes in the bones that can not be natural. The material is burnt<br>
> and the pieces of bones are very small in general and the bones<br>
> with holes are about one centimeter. The holes, that seem to be<br>
> drilled, are one to one and a half millimeters. The sides of the<br>
> holes are not damaged and do not have any traces of wear and tear.<br>
> All of them are drilled from the outer surface but not all of them<br>
> are drilled all the way through the bone. Do you have an idea of<br>
> what it can be? I send you some photos but I could only make them<br>
> black and white with the microscope. The site is dated to around<br>
> 7000 BC and it is not very common to find bones in that area,<br>
> especially worked bones.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sincerely<br>
> Therese Ekholm<br>
><br>
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