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Je retrouve ces messages sur cet objet en cherchant autre chose.<br>
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Les trous sont-ils vraiment "drilled" (c'est-à-dire cylindriques) ?
Il ne me semble pas - mais sans l'objet en main...<br>
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Des liens/cordes ont pu user la paroi et les bords des trous :
l'usure est elle répartie tout autour, ou au contraire concentrée en
certains points du pourtour ? N'y aurait-il pas opposition de sens
entre l'usure du trou du milieu et ceux des extrémités ?<br>
<br>
L'usure se développe-t-elle de la même façon sur les deux faces, ou
bien non, ou peu, sur la face de sciage ?<br>
<br>
Bien à vous.<br>
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Le 13/05/2010 14:23, Alice Choyke a écrit :
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cite="mid:AANLkTikxVTEEF83_SnI7etM83ufVj9K2MLLuk8I9ZOTB@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Well since I had been wondering if they could be an
architectural feature related to the roofing or something like
that the lack of weathering rules that out. On the other hand, the
flatness of the inner surface (they were split, suggests the
rested against - were secured against - a flat surface perhaps
inside the house. What a mystery object. I will keep my eyes open
for parallels at least.<br>
<br>
Alice<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Noelle
Provenzano <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#3366ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB">Dear
Alice,</span></font><font color="#3366ff" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);"
lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#3366ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB">These
objects come all
from habitat context : two were found in the same
house-yard (court ?) (but not
together) and the others inside various houses. But
the excavations are not
very extended at the moment.</span></font><font
color="#3366ff" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#3366ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB">Except
usual
taphonomics actions, surfaces suggest that they were
buried rather quickly.</span></font><font
color="#3366ff" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#3366ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB">I
also think that they
were common objects very adapted to their function
because during two centuries
(IV and Ve) they have exactly the same anatomical
origin, the same
manufacturing methods and the same traces of use.
All that in context where antlers
are very very little exploited. So, that shows us a
true choice.</span></font><font color="#3366ff"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(51,
102, 255);" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" lang="EN-GB">According
to what I
know, one doesn’t know any other specimen outside
from this site or this
period….</span></font><font color="#3366ff" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);"
lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#3366ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: rgb(51, 102, 255);">…..</span></font><font
color="#3366ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
rgb(51, 102, 255);"> </span></font><font
color="#3366ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
rgb(51, 102, 255);">Until now !</span></font><font
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color: rgb(51, 102, 255);"></span></font></p>
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Méditerranéennes<br>
390 avenue de Pérols<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De la part de</span></b>
Alice Choyke<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé :</span></b>
jeudi 13 mai 2010
09:15<br>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Noelle,<br>
what kind of contexts were these objects
found in: in houses,
outbuildings pits etc. Does their surface
suggest they fell off something after
site abandonment or were they buried quickly.
That might give a hint about how
they were used. They must be very frustating
objects to study because they look
like they were very useful, common and obvious
things.Any people out there with
Celtic or early medieval analogies out there?<br>
<br>
Alice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Thu,
May 13, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Noelle Provenzano
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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everyone,</span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;" lang="EN-GB">I
would really appreciate if anyone could
point me to some analogies about these
objects :</span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;" lang="EN-GB">They
are made with a central beam
longitudinally bipartited (splited) and
come from
Second Iron Age of South of France. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;" lang="EN-GB">The
lower side is just regularized and doesn’t
show any other usewear traces.
The superior side is natural. The two
laterals holes present strong
deformations (but irregularly distributed
and directed) due to the cross of a
flexible bond, the central perforation
doesn’t show always so many
usewear traces.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;" lang="EN-GB">If
someone has an idea…. Thanks a lot !</span></font></p>
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color: teal;">_______________________________________________________<br>
Noëlle Provenzano<br>
CNRS - Université de Montpellier III<br>
UMR 5140 - Archéologie des Sociétés
Méditerranéennes<br>
390 avenue de Pérols<br>
34970 - Lattes<br>
France<br>
<br>
Tél. 33 (0) 467 156 139<br>
Fax 33 (0) 467 225 515<br>
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