Hello everyone, <br><br>I think Benjamin should organize a round table dedicated to the use of astragals in prehistoric Europe, as it seems they occur everywhere with endless variety in modes of use. <br><br>Here is my contribution to the topic, astragals from two sites in Serbia. Those labeled <i>dvs</i> are from Divostin, central Serbia, Vinča culture (Late Neolithic / Early Aeneolithic) and those labeled <i>bb</i> are from Bubanj, eastern Serbia, Bubanj culture (Aeneolithic). <br>
My hypothesis is that both types were used on soft, organic materials, as polish is very intense. I would expect more regular, deeper lines and incisions if they have been used on pottery. Oh, yes, those from Divostin are sheep astragals, and from Bubanj one is from red deer, the other from pig. <br>
<br>Otherwise, Benjamin, I am really looking forward to see results of your experiments, hope they will be sucessful. <br><br>best regards, selena <br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2011 12:11, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr">benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Cher monsieur Poplin.<br>
Je n'ai pas le détail du travail du bronze sur le site, mais s'il est une activité artisanale bien représentée, c'est bien la métallurgie. Voila pourquoi nous tenons tant à expérimenter le travail de ce matériau. Nous serions bien sur très intéressé par vos écrits ! J'ai transmis votre mail à Mlle Nadia Cavanhié, archéozoologue en charge de l'étude de ce matériel, qui saura mieux que moi répondre à vos questions.<br>
Bien à vous<br><br>Dear M. Poplin<br>I have no precise idea about the bronze working on the site, but metal industry is a very frequent crafting activity. That's why we're wanting so much experiment the work of this material with phalanges. We are so very interested about your papers! <br>
I passed on your e-mail to Miss Nadia Cavanhié,
zooarchaeologist who studying this material. She will know better that I to answer your questions.<div class="im"><br>Best regards<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Marquebielle Benjamin</span><br>
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Cher Monsieur,<br>
<br>
je vois que cela commence à parler de métal. Je voulais justement
vous demander ce que vous avez comme objets de bronze ; avez-vous
des bandeaux fins, par exemple ? des lames ? Et avez-vous des signes
manifestes du travail du bronze (scories, etc.) ?<br>
<br>
D'autre part combien avez-vous de ces phalanges ? et des deux
sortes, c'est-à-dire combien de la "gauche" et combien de la
"droite" du plan de symétrie du pied ? et en avez-vous trouvé à
l'état groupé ?<br>
<br>
J'ai écrit sur le fourbissages des métaux - je peux vous envoyer
cela par la poste ; à quelle adresse ?<br>
<br>
Bien à vous.<br>
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Le 27/07/2011 10:46, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin a écrit :
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Thank
you Jackie, very interesting experiments ! I'll send you the
results of our metal experiment. I agree with you about the
hight possibilities of using these kind of pieces like tool and
not only like gaming pieces !<br>
About the Ethan hypothesis (<span><font face="Arial" size="2">smoothing and burnishing plaster on
walls), why not, but the phalanges are small (some come from
young animals) and some of them present a very small active
part... Maybe a very precise work ? </font></span><span><font face="Arial" size="2">And
about grinding small amounts of delicate materials like
spices, pigments or medicines, there isn't a lot of
indications in favour of these hypothesis. There's no traces
(micro or macroscopic) of pigments (and the conservation of
some objetcs is quite good) and all the objects present same
oblique striations, all in the same direction.<br>
<br>
Thanks for all these ideas and hypothesis !<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear all,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Another possibility of using
straight sided phalanges on wet material without
bothering on the problem of the rounded shape of
pottery vessels: smoothing and burnishing plaster on
walls! This was done on walls of dwelling houses as
well as of installations (i.e., connected with
liquids), on lime-white plaster as well as on
muddy-brown plaster, etc. We are all aware of the
beautiful photos from Africa showing women coating
their houses with mud and colors and burnishing them.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">And how about grinding small
amounts of delicate materials like spices, pigments,
medicines etc.?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Etan Ayalon</font></span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hello Jackie, hello Alice<br>
<br>
Wonderful ! Thank you for the contact, Alice, and, yes, I
would like some photos of phalanges from Szazhalombatta
please, to compare with my objects. Jackie, this is very
interesting and, please, I would like also a copy of your
article and poster, of course. <br>
We tought these objects could be ceramic smoothers because
of the oblique striations of the straight face, and the
lack of characteristic traces of hide or leather working
(or other smooth raw material), with very bright polish.
The result of alternative smooth of inside and outside
pots is interesting ! We thought also to experiment the
work of metal with a smith and use these objects like
smoothers or during quenching and tempering phase of blade
production. I'll could share the results of this
experiment, as Eva said in a previous message.<br>
Thank you for all these informations !<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hello,</font>
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<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">Alice Choyke forwarded me
this thread. At the last ICAZ meeting, I
presented a poster on an experiment that
investigated some astragali artifacts that I
studied for my Master's thesis, thanks to Alice.
I tried using astragali to work wet and dry clay
and hide and compared the resulting macro and
microwear to wear on flattened astragali
artifacts from </font><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span><span style="color: black; line-height: 115%;">the
Middle Bronze Age sites of
Zagyvapálfalva-Homokbanya and
Kisterenye-Hársas in Hungary. If my results
would be of interest to anyone, please email
me and I will send you a copy of the poster
and my submitted article for the ICAZ
volume. </span></span></font></div>
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<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="line-height: 14px;">In my study, the
lack of contextual information was very
limiting, but I made several interesting
conclusions about the potential of using
unmodified astragali as tools. First, it is
very easy to use goat astragali to
hand-burnish pottery and they are very
effective burnishers. Second, the outermost
ridges of the medial and lateral bone sides
were ground down to a flat surface after 120
minutes of use. Lastly, microwear developed
that was very similar to that which was
present on the bone artifacts: oblique
striations and some micropitting developed. I
held the astragali as was indicated by the
handling polish on the artifacts and made clay
that was comparable to the formula and
particle size as clay from the site, thus I am
confident in concluding that these flattened
astragali were <b>potentially</b> used for
burnishing leather-hard ceramic. Again,
context limits this conclusion, but the wear
was assessed with backscatter imaging and
looks very similar.<br>
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<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="line-height: 14px;">Several key points
may be relevant to this thread. One is that
astragali do not have to be pre-flattened to
burnish ceramic. Any sharp or raised areas are
quickly removed by the gritty clay. Second, I
used astragali to smooth the inside and
outside of round pots and the astragali were
flattened straight. This was not intentionally
done, in fact I did not notice it until
compared the profiles of these astragali with
those used to experimentally work hide. </span></font></div>
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helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="line-height: 14px;"><br>
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<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="line-height: 14px;">Again, I will send
this article and poster to anyone who requests
a copy. I look forward to reading about
similar experiments with astragali and
phalanges.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="arial,
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at
9:40 PM, Alice Choyke <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:h13017cho@iif.hu" target="_blank">h13017cho@iif.hu</a>></span>
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<div>If you wish I can also send you plentiful
photos of phalanges from Szazhalombatta as
well. there are many of these objects from
the MBA. You should also contact Jacquie
Meier (<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:jacqueline.s.meier@gmail.com%29+who" target="_blank">jacqueline.s.meier@gmail.com)
<font color="#000000">who</font></a> did
some experiments with these objects.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Alice<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 22, 2011
at 10:35 AM, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr</a>></span>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Hello
Selena, hello Alice<br>
<br>
Marianne Christensen send to me your
article, Alice, about
Jászdózsa–Kápolnahalom and there is
photo with worked phalanges. We'll
begin experiments in August, with
potter and smith, maybe they'll bring
some indications... One of the problem
of my object is the context is
unclear, most of them was found in
wells full of rubbish.<br>
Thanks for the abstract reference,
Selena, I'll contact the author !<br>
<br>
Best
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Benjamin</span><br>
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<div>Unless the clay surfaces
being smoothed are straight
such as the wall of an oven: I
have been struggling with the
exact same problem for
astragalii and phalanges of
all kinds, especially from the
Middle Bronze Age of Hungary
and am not much smarter than I
began... Multiple hypotheses
need to be tried out again and
and again because sadly there
will not be one right answer
to this problem. It is
definitely context driven.</div>
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Hello everyone, <br>
Hello, Benjamin, <br>
<br>
Perhaps a little bit out of
time and place - but last year
at ICAZ conference I saw a
poster on astragals from
Bronze age Hungary with
similar usewear pattern, used
probably for clay working. <br>
This is the link for the
abstract, perhaps photos may
be found or asked from author.
<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://alexandriaarchive.org/bonecommons/items/show/1383" target="_blank">http://alexandriaarchive.org/bonecommons/items/show/1383</a>
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<br>
And I agree with Marloes, they
must have been flattened
before use. Some other used
astragals, from Balkan
Neolithic and Chalcolithic,
seemed to have been flattened
before use (probably with
sandstone) - although they
were most likely used on soft,
organic materials, since they
have intense polish. <br>
<br>
best, selena <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:51
AM, MARQUEBIELLE Benjamin <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ivrel001@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">ivrel001@yahoo.fr</a>></span>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Hello
Marloes, sorry for the
delay, I traveled.<br>
Good remark...
Phalanges internal
side are flat but not
so flat. I agree with
you : the (possible)
worked surface must be
straight and a pottery
generaly isn't.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Benjamin
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Benjamin</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Benjamin<br>
<br>
I couldn't see
if it was
flattened
(before use).
<br>
<br>
If used, it
should be used
for/on
something with
a flat
surface, the
surface is
completely
flat. (compare
the medieval
skates, these
were used on
ice and have a
flat surface,
but were
sometimes
flattened
before use).
If used for
pottery the
surface
wouldn't be
straight.<br>
<br>
Best, Marloes<br>
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2011 12:35:47
+0100<br>
From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr</a><br>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">No, it
isn't.<br>
I send photo
of another
object where
you can see
more precisely
the traces.
Use wear area
is the result
of the
use/exploitation
of the flatest
face of the
phalanx, maybe
with a kind of
abrasion
technique...
The mophologic
modification
of the bone
could be
various but
never very
important.<br>
<br>
Non, il ne
s'agit pas de
sciage. <br>
Je joins une
photo d'un
autre objet
sur laquelle
on voit plus
précisément
les stigmates.
La zone
d'usure est le
résultat de
l'utilisation
ou de
l'exploitation
de la face la
plus plate de
la phalange,
peut être en
utilisant une
technique
d'abrasion...
Ce degré
d'usure peut
varier mais il
n'est jamais
très
important.<br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Marquebielle
Benjamin</span><br>
PhD student
TRACES
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5, rue du pont
Guilheméry<br>
31000 Toulouse<br>
tel : 06 71 33
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2011, 12h
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Re:
[Bonetools]
protohistoric
object<br>
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Est-il sûr
qu'il ne
s'agit pas
d'un sciage ?<br>
<br>
Would not be
sawing traces
?<br>
<br>
Le 01/07/2011
11:00,
MARQUEBIELLE
Benjamin a
écrit :
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Hello
!<br>
Does anybody
have an idea
about the type
or function of
this object ?
It's an young
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">pig
phalanx</span>,
with <span style="text-decoration: underline;">use
wear traces on
the internal
face</span>,
covered by
oblique
striations. It
comes from
large <span style="text-decoration: underline;">protohistoric
site</span>
(possible
marketplace)
of Toulouse,
in the south
of France
(II-I° century
BC). About 20
objects was
found, a
majority made
of pig
phalanxes
(young or not)
and only two
made of bovid
pahlanxes. Use
wear is always
located on the
same face,
with different
use degree and
some objetcs
are <span style="text-decoration: underline;">perforated
on the
proximal face</span>.
We thought
about a kind
of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">smoother
</span>(in
relation with
potery ? metal
?) but objects
are realy
small and
found in
various
contexts (more
often in <span style="text-decoration: underline;">wells</span> full of rubbish).<br>
Thanks a lot
and best
regards<br>
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Benjamin</span><br>
PhD student
TRACES
laboratory -
UMR 5608<br>
5, rue du pont
Guilheméry<br>
31000 Toulouse<br>
tel : 06 71 33
61 52<br>
e-mail : <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">benjamin.marquebielle@yahoo.fr</a><br>
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CP 56
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