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size=2>Dear Petar and all others,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>String instrument bridge practically has notches only on the top,
not on the bottom. You can't tighten strings when they pass beneath the
bridge. Compare to 10th-12th century bone bridges I published from Caesarea
Maritima, Israel (BAR Int. Ser. 1457, 2005, Fig. 26:273-274) with notches only
on the top, with parallels from Egypt etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Looking close at the photo, these notches are not similar to those made,
for instance, by a saw or a knife - they are wider, with round edges, and
kind of "turn around" the piece a little beyond the notch itself. So it still
looks to me more like notches that were widened by a repeated movement of
some soft throng than waste of something that was cut with a saw or
knife.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=296551905-07032011><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Etan Ayalon</FONT> </SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu
[mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Petar
Zidarov<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> antler.
ivory and horn.Mailing list for archaeologists of the researchgroup for the
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<TD vAlign=top>Hi everyone,<BR>If we consider functionality for separating
/ guiding wire and threads, why not consider a string guide, technically
called bridge in plucked string instruments. <BR><BR>If you check the
pictures under <EM>Afghan tanbur </EM>and<EM> Herati dutar</EM> in this
webpage - http://www.atlasofpluckedinstruments.com/central_asia.htm (also
attached here)<BR>you will find that there are bridges dividing the
strings in courses of main, rhythm and resonance strings in some ancient
looking instruments...<BR><BR>Again, I am not a musician or musicologist,
so I will be happy for a critical opinions from specialists.<BR><BR>Best
wishes, <BR>Petar<BR><BR>--<BR>Petar Zidarov<BR>Lab of Archaeometry &
Experimental Archaeology<BR>Department of Archaeology, New Bulgarian
University<BR>21 Montevideo Str., Body 2, office 219<BR>BG-1618 Sofia,
BULGARIA<BR><BR>cell phone: +359 898 347 252<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 3/5/11,
Alice Choyke <I><h13017cho@iif.hu></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Alice Choyke <h13017cho@iif.hu><BR>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A
strange antler tool<BR>To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the
research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory
and horn." <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu><BR>Date: Saturday, March
5, 2011, 6:02 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>So - are we back at the mechnanism idea or what? Sonia - do you
have any ideas? Or Marloes with your strange 16th-17th centruy
objects?</DIV>
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<DIV>Alice<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv254314072gmail_quote>On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Etan
Ayalon <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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think metal threads would have left deep scratches in the soft antler,
which the photo doesn't show.<BR>Etan
Ayalon<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: <A
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<DIV class=yiv254314072im>To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the
research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory
and horn.<BR>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler
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<DIV class=yiv254314072im>But to return to poor Michael's original
object - I really wonder whether this could be a draw plate for metal
threads given how soft antler is. It is really a
puzzle.<BR><BR>Alice<BR><BR><BR>On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, S
O'Connor <<A href="/mc/compose?to=S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk"
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wrote:<BR><BR><BR> The name for this is a
draw plate.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Sonia<BR><BR><BR><BR> Dr Sonia
O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of
York<BR><BR> Post-doctoral Research
Fellow<BR><BR> Archaeological
Sciences<BR><BR> Division of
AGES,<BR><BR> University of
Bradford<BR><BR> Bradford, West Yorkshire,
BD7 1DP, UK<BR><BR><BR><BR> tel 01274 23
6498 (office) 5210 (lab)<BR><BR> fax 01274
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On Behalf Of Gun-Britt<BR> Sent: 04 March
2011 12:09<BR> To: Mailing list for
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of bone, antler. ivory and horn.<BR><BR>
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler
tool<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> Hi and
sorry for delayed answer.<BR><BR><BR><BR> I
try to attach the drawing I made, and I hope you understand how I
think-this would mean (I guess) that perhaps a "top" to this tool is
missing, or if not, that they - like Etan suggested - used it for
thongs or something softer and just used their finger to "top"
it...i.e. to stop the what-ever-they-were-using to slip out of the
groove. Sorry about the size, and hope it works,<BR><BR>
**Gun-Britt, Sweden<BR><BR></DIV>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:12
AM<BR><BR>
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler
tool<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Dear all,<BR><BR>
In the Levant, at least, such metal threads were
traditionally made by goldsmiths with a different tool - a piece of
metal with many small holes of various diameters. This piece was
mounted on a wooden base equipped with a small pulley on each side.
The thread was tied to one pulley, passed through the largest hole and
pulled through it using the other pulley. Then it was transferred to
the next, smaller hole etc. etc.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
I was thinking about a tool used to
straighten or strech strings and thongs, made for instance of leather,
by holding one of them in one of the tool's slices, locking it in
place with the finger and then pulling the tool along the
string.<BR><BR>
Etan
Ayalon<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR><BR>
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On Behalf Of Alice Choyke<BR>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:07 PM<BR>
To: Mailing list for
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of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<BR>
Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler
tool<BR><BR>
Dear Gun-Britt,<BR><BR>
Could you send us a picture of this tool
and explain how it works? I have never heard about such things and am
now very curious indeed.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Cheers!<BR><BR>
Alice<BR><BR>
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Gun-Britt
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wrote:<BR><BR>
Hello all,<BR><BR><BR><BR>
I am a lurking list-member, just enjoying reading
all your inputs. I think too toward a metalworking tool, in making
threads of metal of different thicknesses. It sure looks like a sort
of "key" or mechanism, but hey, I have done some goldsmithing, and we
used a similar tool to pull the metal into thinner and thinner
threads. Hard work, but tin - as suggested earlier - is a very soft
metal.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Just a thought,<BR><BR>
Please continue,<BR><BR>
Love and blessings,<BR><BR>
**Gun-Britt
Blomdahl<BR><BR>
5th year, thesis-writing at Linnaeus University, Kalmar,
Sweden<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:12 PM<BR><BR>
Subject: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler
tool<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Dear all,<BR><BR><BR><BR>
following up a request by Michael Olausson that has already been
sent to the list by Alice last week (see below) I would like to add
that the tool is now permanently visible for further discussion on the
Mystery bone tool page of the WBRG website at<BR><BR>
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Best<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Christian<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Dear All,<BR><BR>
I am forwarding
a letter and photo from a Swedish colleague. Another strange tool. It
looks like some part of a mechanism - a locking mechanism? However
Michael Olausson also says it has some resemblances to a tool used by
the Sami for producing tin thread! If you reply to Michael could you
also please CC the list so we can all read about
it?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
Alice<BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:55 AM<BR>
Subject:
A strange antler tool<BR>
To: <A
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Dear Dr. Alice Choyke,<BR>
Dr Kordula Gostencnik
suggested that I should contact You in this<BR>
matter.
I will send You my letter to her as well with the picture of<BR>
the item. Dr Gostencnik dod?t regard the toll as one conected
to<BR>
textil handcraft. She suggestes that it might be a
toy, I do not agree<BR>
with her, if it should look
like a "bear" then it should be made as a<BR>
bear!
Since there are three differnt kinds of "measurements" of
the<BR>
teeth, I radaer would thinkt that it has been used
to make threads ore<BR>
to measure threads. We have a
little discussion in Stockholm if it<BR>
could be used
for metal, silver and gold.<BR>
The tool wich has many
similarties with a Roman antler key, was found<BR>
in mixed
layers on a house terrace on the hilltop site,<BR><BR>
"H?hensiedlung" Runsa frpm the 5th & 6th
centuries.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
It would be nice if You could
have some ideas, references.<BR><BR>
Yours
Sincerely<BR>
Michael Olausson<BR>
ass.prof<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
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