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Could it be a half-finished object or waste fragment?<BR>
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Best, Marloes<BR> <BR>
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0800<BR>From: petar.zidarov@yahoo.com<BR>To: bonetools@listserv.niif.hu<BR>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>Hi everyone,<BR>If we consider functionality for separating / guiding wire and threads, why not consider a string guide, technically called bridge in plucked string instruments. <BR><BR>If you check the pictures under <EM>Afghan tanbur </EM>and<EM> Herati dutar</EM> in this webpage - http://www.atlasofpluckedinstruments.com/central_asia.htm (also attached here)<BR>you will find that there are bridges dividing the strings in courses of main, rhythm and resonance strings in some ancient looking instruments...<BR><BR>Again, I am not a musician or musicologist, so I will be happy for a critical opinions from specialists.<BR><BR>Best wishes, <BR>Petar<BR><BR>--<BR>Petar Zidarov<BR>Lab of Archaeometry & Experimental Archaeology<BR>Department of Archaeology, New Bulgarian University<BR>21 Montevideo Str., Body 2, office 219<BR>BG-1618 Sofia, BULGARIA<BR><BR>cell phone: +359 898 347 252<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 3/5/11, Alice Choyke <I><h13017cho@iif.hu></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Alice Choyke <h13017cho@iif.hu><BR>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR>To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn." <bonetools@listserv.niif.hu><BR>Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 6:02 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>So - are we back at the mechnanism idea or what? Sonia - do you have any ideas? Or Marloes with your strange 16th-17th centruy objects?</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxyiv254314072gmail_quote>On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Etan Ayalon <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=etana@eretzmuseum.org.il" target=_blank rel=nofollow>etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=ecxyiv254314072gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">I think metal threads would have left deep scratches in the soft antler, which the photo doesn't show.<BR>Etan Ayalon<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: <A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</A> on behalf of Alice Choyke<BR>Sent: Sat 3/5/2011 2:51 AM<BR>
<DIV class=ecxyiv254314072im>To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<BR>Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxyiv254314072im>But to return to poor Michael's original object - I really wonder whether this could be a draw plate for metal threads given how soft antler is. It is really a puzzle.<BR><BR>Alice<BR><BR><BR>On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, S O'Connor <<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow>S.Oconnor@bradford.ac.uk</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR> The name for this is a draw plate.<BR><BR><BR><BR> Sonia<BR><BR><BR><BR> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of York<BR><BR> Post-doctoral Research Fellow<BR><BR> Archaeological Sciences<BR><BR> Division of AGES,<BR><BR> University of Bradford<BR><BR> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK<BR><BR><BR><BR> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)<BR><BR> fax 01274 23 5210<BR><BR><BR><BR> From: <A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</A> [mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</A>] On Behalf Of Gun-Britt<BR> Sent: 04 March 2011 12:09<BR> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for thestudy of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.<BR><BR> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> Hi and sorry for delayed answer.<BR><BR><BR><BR> I try to attach the drawing I made, and I hope you understand how I think-this would mean (I guess) that perhaps a "top" to this tool is missing, or if not, that they - like Etan suggested - used it for thongs or something softer and just used their finger to "top" it...i.e. to stop the what-ever-they-were-using to slip out of the groove. Sorry about the size, and hope it works,<BR><BR> **Gun-Britt, Sweden<BR><BR></DIV> <<A href="http://62.90.210.236:801/exchange/etana/Drafts/image001.jpg" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://62.90.210.236:801/exchange/etana/Drafts/image001.jpg</A>><BR><BR> ----- Original Message -----<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> From: Etan Ayalon <mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=etana@eretzmuseum.org.il" target=_blank rel=nofollow>etana@eretzmuseum.org.il</A>><BR><BR> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for thestudy ofobjectand waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn. <mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</A>><BR>
<DIV class=ecxyiv254314072im><BR> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:12 AM<BR><BR> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR><BR><BR> Dear all,<BR><BR> In the Levant, at least, such metal threads were traditionally made by goldsmiths with a different tool - a piece of metal with many small holes of various diameters. This piece was mounted on a wooden base equipped with a small pulley on each side. The thread was tied to one pulley, passed through the largest hole and pulled through it using the other pulley. Then it was transferred to the next, smaller hole etc. etc.<BR><BR><BR><BR> I was thinking about a tool used to straighten or strech strings and thongs, made for instance of leather, by holding one of them in one of the tool's slices, locking it in place with the finger and then pulling the tool along the string.<BR><BR> Etan Ayalon<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR><BR> From: <A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</A> [mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</A>] On Behalf Of Alice Choyke<BR> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:07 PM<BR> To: Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the study ofobject and waste of bone,antler. ivory and horn.<BR> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR> Dear Gun-Britt,<BR><BR> Could you send us a picture of this tool and explain how it works? I have never heard about such things and am now very curious indeed.<BR><BR><BR><BR> Cheers!<BR><BR> Alice<BR><BR> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Gun-Britt <<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=lazy-b@algonet.se" target=_blank rel=nofollow>lazy-b@algonet.se</A>> wrote:<BR><BR> Hello all,<BR><BR><BR><BR> I am a lurking list-member, just enjoying reading all your inputs. I think too toward a metalworking tool, in making threads of metal of different thicknesses. It sure looks like a sort of "key" or mechanism, but hey, I have done some goldsmithing, and we used a similar tool to pull the metal into thinner and thinner threads. Hard work, but tin - as suggested earlier - is a very soft metal.<BR><BR><BR><BR> Just a thought,<BR><BR> Please continue,<BR><BR> Love and blessings,<BR><BR> **Gun-Britt Blomdahl<BR><BR> 5th year, thesis-writing at Linnaeus University, Kalmar, Sweden<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> ----- Original Message -----<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxyiv254314072h5> From: Christian Küchelmann <mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=info@knochenarbeit.de" target=_blank rel=nofollow>info@knochenarbeit.de</A>><BR><BR> To: BONETOOLS of bone <mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=bonetools@listserv.niif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>bonetools@listserv.niif.hu</A>><BR><BR> Cc: Michael Olausson <mailto:<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=michael.olausson673@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>michael.olausson673@gmail.com</A>><BR><BR> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:12 PM<BR><BR> Subject: [Bonetools] Fwd: A strange antler tool<BR><BR><BR><BR> Dear all,<BR><BR><BR><BR> following up a request by Michael Olausson that has already been sent to the list by Alice last week (see below) I would like to add that the tool is now permanently visible for further discussion on the Mystery bone tool page of the WBRG website at<BR><BR> <A href="http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=20" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.wbrg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=20</A><BR><BR><BR><BR> Best<BR><BR><BR><BR> Christian<BR><BR><BR><BR> --------<BR><BR> Dear All,<BR><BR> I am forwarding a letter and photo from a Swedish colleague. Another strange tool. It looks like some part of a mechanism - a locking mechanism? However Michael Olausson also says it has some resemblances to a tool used by the Sami for producing tin thread! If you reply to Michael could you also please CC the list so we can all read about it?<BR><BR><BR><BR> Alice<BR><BR> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR> From: Michael Olausson <<A href="http:///mc/compose?to=michael.olausson673@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>michael.olausson673@gmail.com</A>><BR> Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:55 AM<BR> Subject: A strange antler tool<BR> To: <A href="http:///mc/compose?to=h13017cho@helka.iif.hu" target=_blank rel=nofollow>h13017cho@helka.iif.hu</A><BR><BR><BR> Dear Dr. Alice Choyke,<BR> Dr Kordula Gostencnik suggested that I should contact You in this<BR> matter. I will send You my letter to her as well with the picture of<BR> the item. Dr Gostencnik dod?t regard the toll as one conected to<BR> textil handcraft. She suggestes that it might be a toy, I do not agree<BR> with her, if it should look like a "bear" then it should be made as a<BR> bear! Since there are three differnt kinds of "measurements" of the<BR> teeth, I radaer would thinkt that it has been used to make threads ore<BR> to measure threads. We have a little discussion in Stockholm if it<BR> could be used for metal, silver and gold.<BR> The tool wich has many similarties with a Roman antler key, was found<BR> in mixed layers on a house terrace on the hilltop site,<BR><BR> "H?hensiedlung" Runsa frpm the 5th & 6th centuries.<BR><BR><BR><BR> It would be nice if You could have some ideas, references.<BR><BR> Yours Sincerely<BR> Michael Olausson<BR> ass.prof<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV> <<A href="http://62.90.210.236:801/exchange/etana/Drafts/image002.jpg" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://62.90.210.236:801/exchange/etana/Drafts/image002.jpg</A>><BR>
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