Dear Selena,<br> I am inclined to agree and that makes the situation even more interesting - in a way this may point us a little bit better to where the early neolithic settlers moving into the Hungarian Plain might have been coming from. And, of course, from a real life point of view this may also suggest which Starcevo groups derive from local Mesolithic populations that in the Iron Gates at least used plenty of antler as well. Keep collecting Selena.<br>
<br>Alice<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Selena Vitezovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Thank you very much indeed, both publications and comments are helpful. <br>About antlers - strange enough, the collection from Starčevo-Grad site in the National Museum in Belgrade has just few antlers, while the collection from National Museum in Pančevo has dozens of very beautiful pieces. I am inclined to think that the variations in number of antlers are regional differencies, not chronological ones. <br>
thanx again, best, <br><font color="#888888">Selena <br></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2010 07:02, Haskel Greenfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Greenf@cc.umanitoba.ca" target="_blank">Greenf@cc.umanitoba.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The distribution of antlers is really variable from region to
region. Yes, more are found in the Iron Gates than elsewhere, but there are others
in the Jagodina area. We had very few at Blagotin or Foeni. Hope this helps.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Haskel Greenfield</span></p><div>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Thanks, mr Greenfield. <br></p><div><div></div><div>
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Alice, here are some additional photos of the antler. I think that the rose was
on the broken part, I have also two other bases of shed antlers, with similarly
cut tines, but without this large portion of beam, and with working surface on
the antler base. <br>
Starčevo is also poor with antlers in general - with the exception of sites
from Iron gates - but then I found almost 20 antler objects from Starčevo in
Pančevo museum, all very carefully worked. <br>
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best, s. </div></div><div><div></div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2 February 2010 20:14, Alice Choyke <<a href="mailto:h13017cho@iif.hu" target="_blank">h13017cho@iif.hu</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Dear Selena,<br>
The groove on the cattle first phalange appears made
with twine but I have never seen anything like it on Koros sites in Hungary or
anywhere else for that matter. It is a bit hard to judge the first object. am I
right in thinking that one end is a the rose (without the pearling) of a shed
antler and then the eye and beze tines with a hole cut perpendicularly thru the
beam? What does the cross-section of this object look like. The Koros culture
of Hungary is strikingly poor in antler objects of any kind.<br>
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Best,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Alice</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Selena Vitezovic <<a href="mailto:selenavitezovic@gmail.com" target="_blank">selenavitezovic@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Hello everyone, <br>
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Now I have few questions. These objects are from Starčevo culture (Early/
middle Neolithic) from Starčevo, eponymous site, in Belgrade vicinity
(the phalanx and the antler tool) and from Donja Branjevina in northerns Serbia
(pointed tool). <br>
Has anyone ever seen anything like this before? <br>
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thanx very much, <br>
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regards, Selena </p>
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