But absolutely not early Neolithic - even in the Iron Gates where there is early heavy use of antler as opposed to someplace like the Carpathian Basin or the Pannonian Plain.<br><br>Alice<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Noelle Provenzano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noprovenzano@interfree.it">noprovenzano@interfree.it</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(84, 141, 212);" lang="EN-US">Hi everyone,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(84, 141, 212);" lang="EN-US">For me this object doesn’t smell horses cheek-pieces, nor even
element of horse harness. They are generally more curved, smaller section and
with different perforations.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(84, 141, 212);" lang="EN-US">I think that one should not be focused on the perforation but
rather on the two extremities, especially the smothed bevel. I think that the
perforation is not the active part of the object.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(84, 141, 212);" lang="EN-US">For what I can see, the cut-marks seems made with flint and not
with a metal tool (or a metal tool very very very smothed…).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(84, 141, 212);" lang="EN-US">So, even if I do not know this type of object, I don’t see
problem to find it in Neolithic layer, also Late Neolithic or Chalcolithic.</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-bounces@listserv.niif.hu</a>] <b>De
la part de</b> Alice Choyke<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 30 avril 2010 14:32<br>
<b>À :</b> Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn.<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Bonetools] antler object from Iron Gates</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Dear Pam (and Selena of course)
- this was my first reaction but if it is a bridle cheek piece it is a VERY
primitive one. I actually really doubt that this piece was used this way.On the
other hand the the form of the hafting hole is very 'bronze-agey'. I was
thinking that it might be worthwhile to take a close look at those cut marks
under high magnifications to see what their profile looks like - were they cut
with a flint or a metal blade? That will tell you whether you have (as I
suspect) a stray Middle Bronze Age tool of some sort. If Noelle is reading this
I wonder how this object compares to her MBA Terremare materials which has
every kind of antler tool in it you can imagine.<br>
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Alice</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:03 AM, <<a href="mailto:PajX@aol.com" target="_blank">PajX@aol.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">This item looks very much like others which have been identified
as bridle cheek pieces (there's another name, but I'm not awake enough to
remember it at the moment - ps...). Quite an exciting find re aspects of horse
domestication/riding... The grooved wear line seems consistent with this.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Such pieces have also be identified as other tools. You might find
this site of interest.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><a href="http://www.donsmaps.com/tools.html" target="_blank">http://www.donsmaps.com/tools.html</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I'd love to hear more about the find context.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">best</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Pam Cross</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">PhD researcher, AGES</span></p>
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