I still wonder about three issues:<br>1. the question of whether experimenters (in general') really have the know-how to produce 'realistic' wear patterns. Most of us are city children not people who have been doing this work from childhood.<br>
2. the blind-test issue will not go away - <br>3. transferring the wear information to colleagues (like myself) who have done little experimentation and have even less experience than the novice experimentor. How can we avoid forever 'reinventing the wheel for wear studies. n.b the WBRG website would like to psot catalogues of use wear pictures for other scholars to reference in their own work.<br>
<br>Alice<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Boris Santander <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boris.santander@gmail.com">boris.santander@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello to everyone.<br><br>I'm preparing my Master dissertation, dealing with traceology in bone tools, using experimental methods over soft animal materials (leather and whool mainly). Talking with several microanalists, we were in agree about the requirement of three main issues:<br>
<br>a)The requirement of a large data base with high resolution pictures, as result of experimental activities over diferent materials and with different magnification.<br><br>b) The documentation over Activities, not just time of activity (we can agree about the uselessness of time in the traceological production in one determined bone tool). 100 repetitions, 200 hundred, etc...<br>
<br>c) The use of high resolution casts (or if it's possible ESEM microscopes) to take control of the marks at diferent stages. i.e. If we will perforate a leather with a metapodial awl doing 100 repetitions, take good resolution pictures each 25 times. Then, we will be able to identificate the formation process of polishes, microchipping, striations, etc.<br>
<br>Personally, I will try to create a web page (maybe a Flickr, considering the good quality of the pictures, and simplicity) with my thesis pictures, with Creative Commons licence... maybe is usefull for someone, specialy in latinamerica or africa, where is harder for us to get access to Journals and publications.<br>
<br>Best Wishes to everyone<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/16 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu" target="_blank">bonetools-request@listserv.niif.hu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:32:26 +0100<br>
From: Alice Choyke <<a href="mailto:h13017cho@iif.hu" target="_blank">h13017cho@iif.hu</a>><br>
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I wish our French colleagues and their French-trained students would take<br>
part in this debate on 'blind' testing. They, like Genny Lemoine, Sandra<br>
Olsen, Janet Griffitts and Cristian St.Gates in North America, have been<br>
collectively involved in various manufacturing and use wear studies using<br>
high magnifications (binocular and metalurgical microscopes). There is a big<br>
difference between looking at the macro-wear at low (20X) magnifications and<br>
the deep examination of wear patterns at high magnification in terms of the<br>
reliability of the interpretation in my opinion (high magnification is<br>
clearly superior). I am also standing at the side-lines in this debate<br>
however. I do think it is important not to jump into camps about this issue<br>
but it should be addressed for the future comfort of all of us.<br>
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Alice<br>
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Anne Brundle<br>
<<a href="mailto:Anne.brundle@orkney.gov.uk" target="_blank">Anne.brundle@orkney.gov.uk</a>>wrote:<br>
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> I don't know the answer, but I was just thinking about the same question<br>
> this weekend. My feeling is that many interpretations of wear on bone<br>
> tools are based on the three elements of (i)surface shine (ii)rounding<br>
> on edges and (iii)presence and direction of striations, and then on<br>
> whether the wear is 'light', 'normal' or 'heavy'. These value terms tend<br>
> to change, depending what the observer is accustomed to seeing and what<br>
> they have been looking at most recently, so it becomes difficult to make<br>
> comparisons between sites.<br>
><br>
> I tend to feel cautious if trace analysis is interpreted too positively,<br>
> but I would love to hear from people who could make it work - it would<br>
> be so good!<br>
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> Best wishes<br>
> Anne<br>
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> Subject: [Bonetools] Wear traces on bone tools<br>
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> Dear Colleagues:<br>
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> I am seeking general insights (or perhaps opinions) on trace analysis<br>
> of bone tools. Various studies describe characteristics of traces<br>
> left on bone by common materials (plant material, hide, soil, etc.).<br>
> Is there a recent reference which establishes the characteristics of<br>
> these traces using sytematic studies of modern bone tools? Even more<br>
> importantly, are there blind tests of identification of worked<br>
> material on bone tools such as those conducted by Keeley and Newcomer<br>
> for stone tools? Those blind tests and others which followed have<br>
> shown that such identifications of worked material on stone tools are<br>
> probably not reliable. Do bone tool studies have better foundation?<br>
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> Thanks for your help and experience.<br>
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> best,<br>
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