[Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools / Dog & hare bone necklaces/amulets
Kinga Winnicka
k.m.winnicka at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 14:29:06 CET 2015
Dear Alice,
I've been looking for any reference to dog and hare bone amulets in the
Polish archaeological literature but it seems that there are only necklaces
made of dog teeth and tubular beads that could possibly be made of hare
bones. Unfortunately they don't come from the same context.
The only thing that comes to my mind regarding the hare bones is something
from my Early Medieval Period course at the Uni - there are some necklaces
made of long hare bones in children's graves dating to the Avar Khaganate
in Hungary but I suppose that you already know about it.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of help but I will keep the dog/hare bone question
in mind.
Best regards,
Kinga
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> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:19:46 +0100
> From: Alice Choyke <choyke at ceu.hu>
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> Dear King,
> Well then, I will ask you if you know of necklaces/amulets from any
> period in Poland with hare and dog bone beads/amulets. I would be happy
> with examples from any period.
>
> Best,
> Alice
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Kinga Winnicka <k.m.winnicka at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Alice,
> >
> > I agree that it is too early for the European rabbit, we think that the
> > samples were contaminated and the results won't be published.
> Fortunately,
> > it is actually not very expensive to do the testing in a Warsaw lab (ca.
> > EUR 200 for the whole procedure for a number of samples). Thank you for
> the
> > contact in York, I'll read about the method.
> >
> > I'd like to add that both assembalges have been consulted with zoologists
> > and archaeozoologists and they do agree that bone shafts especially
> worked
> > are not very diagnostic. We suspect however that some of the tube-shaped
> > beads might have been made of bones of dogs/foxes, some kind of a wildcat
> > and/or hares. This is partly on the basis that in the second assemblage
> we
> > have a neclace made of fox and dog teeth and two humeri (without
> > ephiphyses) of a wildcat.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kinga
> >
> >
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> >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:14:07 +0100
> >> From: Alice Choyke <choyke at ceu.hu>
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> >> Dear all,
> >> I would like to say that an EBA date for *Oryctolagus cuniculus
> *is
> >>
> >> far too early. These are Mediterreanean animals which were first
> >> introduced
> >> into continental Europe with the Romans. It is also very difficult to
> >> identify the bones made into beads to species based on their morphology
> >> and
> >> DNA is far too expensive. I would recommend writing to York where there
> is
> >> a new non-destructive process based on identifying the protein in
> collagen
> >> called ZoOMS. Write to Matthew Collins (matthew.collins at york.ac.uk ).
> >> In my experience beads are often made from the metapodials of
> >> hare,
> >> small dogs and fox - those would seem to me to be the most likely
> >> possibilities for this time period for bead (or clasps or tinklers
> [sound
> >> makers]).
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Alice
> >>
> >> Alice
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Kinga Winnicka <k.m.winnicka at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Karin,
> >> >
> >> > In the assemblage I've analysed for my MA thesis (technological and
> >> > use-wear traces on bone and antler beads) I have some simple
> tube-shaped
> >> > beads which could have been made of shafts of hares and/or rabbits.
> >> >
> >> > These beads originate from a sepulchral context and date to the Early
> >> > Bronze Age in Poland (the site has been radiocarbon dated: 2026-1746
> >> BC).
> >> >
> >> > Currently, I'm analysing a much bigger assemblage but from a similar
> >> > context and I suspect that some of the bones are hare/rabbit bones.
> >> These
> >> > are again tube-shaped beads and also something that looks like
> >> > semi-products - only shafts with broken off epiphyses. I'm planning to
> >> do a
> >> > DNA testing on some of the material, we've done that with 2 samples
> form
> >> > the previous assemblage but it was inconclusive although the
> specialist
> >> > suggested that there is a possibility that one of the beads could have
> >> been
> >> > made of an *Oryctolagus cuniculus* bone (97% homology).
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I hope this helps.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Kinga Winnicka
> >> > (University of Wroclaw, Poland)
> >> >
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> >> >> 2. Re: Russian terminology (cobecker)
> >> >> 3. Re: Lepus and Bone Tools (Nerissa Russell)
> >> >> 4. Re: Lepus and Bone Tools (Griffitts, Janet L - (griffitt))
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> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 06:42:54 -0500
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> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: isabelle.sidera at mae.u-paris10.fr
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:17 AM
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> >> >> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] WBRG Zhenzhou
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> >> >> Dear Xiaolin,
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks for these good news!
> >> >> Happy New Year!
> >> >> Best, Isabelle
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear Isabelle and All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The publication of the preceedings of Zhengzhou is in the final
> step
> >> and
> >> >> > will be published soon.
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> >> >> > Thank you so much for your support!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With best wishes
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> >> >> >
> >> >> > Xiaolin
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> > --
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> >> >> > ??? 2015-02-17 21:41:22???"SIDERA Isabelle"
> >> >> > <isabelle.sidera at mae.u-paris10.fr> ?????????
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> >> >> > Dear All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > May be I am not informed, but I did not hear anything related to
> the
> >> >> > publication of the proceedings of Zhengzhou. Can anybody give me
> >> news of
> >> >> > it ?
> >> >> > Thank you, Isabelle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> Message: 2
> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:08:16 +0100
> >> >> From: "cobecker" <cobecker at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
> >> >> To: 'R?mi BERTHON' <rberthon at yahoo.fr>, "'Mailing list for
> >> >> archaeologists of the research group for the study of object
> >> and
> >> >> waste
> >> >> of bone, antler. ivory and horn.'" <
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> >> >> Subject: Re: [Bonetools] Russian terminology
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> >> >> Dear R?mi! I asked one of my colleagues, specialised in Eurasian
> >> >> archaeology and perfect in the Russian language: prokolka =
> >> Knochenspitze,
> >> >> shilo = Pfriem. She could not tell me more specific meanings.
> Greetings
> >> >> Yours Cornelia
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> Von: Bonetools [mailto:bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] Im
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> >> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2015 15:16
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> >> >> Betreff: [Bonetools] Russian terminology
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I am translating a (Neolithic) archaeological report from Russian to
> >> >> English and I get some difficulties with two bone pointed
> tools-related
> >> >> terms: ???????? (prokolka) and ???? (shilo).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >From the text it seems that prokolka has (part of) the epiphysis
> left
> >> on
> >> >> at one end, whereas the shilo seems to have both ends sharpened.
> >> Should I
> >> >> use "awl" for both or do you have any suggestion for a differentiated
> >> >> translation ? (Unfortunately I don't have illustration of what is
> >> >> considered as prokolka or shilo in the text).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks in advance
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> R?mi Berthon
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> >> >> Message: 3
> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:13:22 +0000
> >> >> From: Nerissa Russell <nr29 at cornell.edu>
> >> >> To: "bonetools at listserv.niif.hu" <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
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> >> >>
> >> >> At ?atalh?y?k (Neolithic Turkey), they occasionally made simple beads
> >> >> from segments of hare long bones, judging from a radius and a humerus
> >> piece
> >> >> that remained as waste.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nerissa Russell
> >> >> Professor
> >> >> Department of Anthropology
> >> >> Cornell University
> >> >> 607-255-6790
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Karin Scott <kayscott at mweb.co.za<mailto:kayscott at mweb.co.za>>
> >> >> Reply-To: "bonetools at listserv.niif.hu<mailto:
> >> bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>"
> >> >> <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu<mailto:bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>>
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:13 AM
> >> >> To: "bonetools at listserv.niif.hu<mailto:bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>"
> <
> >> >> bonetools at listserv.niif.hu<mailto:bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>>
> >> >> Subject: [Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear List
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you to Alice for adding me.
> >> >> I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing
> >> my
> >> >> Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare
> >> >> species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus
> >> saxatilis
> >> >> (scrub hare) .
> >> >> Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal
> assemblages
> >> >> here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my
> >> osteology
> >> >> research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try
> >> and
> >> >> explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an
> >> article
> >> >> that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone
> >> tools.
> >> >> It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones.
> Hares
> >> >> were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items
> >> such as
> >> >> clothing.
> >> >> I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the
> >> use
> >> >> of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a
> starting
> >> >> point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always
> >> present
> >> >> on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the
> diet.
> >> >> I thank you in advance for your assistance.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Karin
> >> >> Never argue with a dragon
> >> >> For thou art crunchy
> >> >> and goes well with cheese
> >> >>
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> >> >> Message: 4
> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:02:33 +0000
> >> >> From: "Griffitts, Janet L - (griffitt)" <griffitt at email.arizona.edu>
> >> >> To: "Mailing list for archaeologists of the research group for the
> >> >> study of object and waste of bone, antler. ivory and horn."
> >> >> <bonetools at listserv.niif.hu>
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> >> >>
> >> >> In the southwestern US we find jackrabbit (Lepus sp.) bones made into
> >>
> >> >> awls, beads, tubes, tinklers (or what is interpretted as such), and
> >> >> occasionally other tools, ornaments, or other artifacts. In my
> limited
> >> >> experience it seems like there's a bit more variety in form in the
> Four
> >> >> Corners area (the Basketmaker, Anasazi/Ancestral Pueblo area)
> compared
> >> to
> >> >> Southern Arizona (Hohokam area), but that might be a matter of
> >> preservation
> >> >> and sample size. Here in the Sonora Desert, in the Hohokam area
> >> leporids
> >> >> tend to make up the majority of the faunal bone in archaeological
> >> sites so
> >> >> it isn't surprising that folks would have made tools from the rabbits
> >> and
> >> >> jackrabbits whenever it was practical. It isn't too uncommon to find
> >> that
> >> >> the only artiodactyl bone present will have been made into tools and
> >> >> usually artiodactyl bone is overrepresented in the bone tools
> compared
> >> to
> >> >> the overall faunal assemblage.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jackrabbit tools and ornaments are also present in the Plains, but
> as a
> >> >> generalization I don't think they usually make up as large a
> >> proportion in
> >> >> the overall bone artifact assemblage in the Plains as in the
> >> southwest, at
> >> >> least not in sites that have a lot of bison bone. That's a gross
> >> >> generalization and I'm sure there are a lot of exceptions, but this
> is
> >> my
> >> >> overall impression from working a bit in the 4 Corners, S. Arizona,
> and
> >> >> Plains.
> >> >> Hope this helps
> >> >>
> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >> Jan Griffitts
> >> >> Visiting Scholar
> >> >> Dept. of Anthropology,
> >> >> Tucson,Arizona
> >> >>
> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> From: Bonetools [bonetools-bounces at listserv.niif.hu] on behalf of
> >> Karin
> >> >> Scott [kayscott at mweb.co.za]
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:13 AM
> >> >> To: bonetools at listserv.niif.hu
> >> >> Subject: [Bonetools] Lepus and Bone Tools
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear List
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you to Alice for adding me.
> >> >> I am an Archaeozoologist based in South Africa. I am currently doing
> >> my
> >> >> Masters in comparative osteology and osteomorphology of the two hare
> >> >> species of southern Africa Lepus capensis (Cape hare) and Lepus
> >> saxatilis
> >> >> (scrub hare) .
> >> >> Hares remains are found on almost all archaeological faunal
> assemblages
> >> >> here although the NISP/MNI numbers vary greatly. As part of my
> >> osteology
> >> >> research I look at the archaeological and ethnological record to try
> >> and
> >> >> explain their presence on site. I found a very short note in an
> >> article
> >> >> that hare/rabbit bones were used by native Americans to make bone
> >> tools.
> >> >> It made me wonder if the same happened here with the hare bones.
> Hares
> >> >> were also used in traditional medicine and possibly for other items
> >> such as
> >> >> clothing.
> >> >> I would appreciate any references and/or articles that relate to the
> >> use
> >> >> of hares (whole, part, or bones) worldwide that can give me a
> starting
> >> >> point for investigations or speculations as to why they are always
> >> present
> >> >> on sites. That is, of course, in addition to forming part of the
> diet.
> >> >> I thank you in advance for your assistance.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Karin
> >> >> Never argue with a dragon
> >> >> For thou art crunchy
> >> >> and goes well with cheese
> >> >>
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