[Bonetools] a bone tool from Xinjiang

Tue Jul 1 10:38:17 CEST 2014

Dear Kordula,
    All these experiments should be collected and made available though
open-access but that needs a young passionate researcher with money behind
them (ie a secure job) so we might have to wait awhile. anyway, the bottom
line is there are surprisingly many ways to skin a cat - even in weaving
and I am sure we will find other variations in the effect of the fiber
contacted, the weaving  technique and gestures employed and the loom type.

Alice

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Kordula Gostencnik <kgosten at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Alice,
>
> The comb differs completely from what the hemp-weaver's tools looked like
> after permanent use for weeks, but hemp fibers have a very rough surface
> and she experimented with sail-weaving by the way. Tina Tuohy collected
> hundreds of antler combs in the past, so probably her results should be
> taken into account as well?
>
> But the use-wear in your photographs looks similar to Roman bone/antler
> combs where the grooves run from the base of the denture towards both
> surfaces: the initial VVVVVVV denture of the comb receives those
> grooves and it looks like the YYYYYYY pattern in your photograph. I hope
> you can understand what I mean, as it is difficult to describe this. As I
> do not work as an archaeologist any longer I have no more access to the
> material I worked with.
>
> There was another experimental textile specialist, who presented a wooden
> weaving sword (some extremely hard wood - I forgot which) at the same
> conference in Copenhagen. It had the same use-wear on its surface as my
> Magdalensberg material. It is a pitty that both presentations were never
> published - it would be most important for the interpretation of Tools also.
>
> Kordula
>
>
> 2014-07-01 9:19 GMT+02:00 Alice Choyke <choyke at ceu.hu>:
>
> I had weaving combs from 'close-to-contact' Bolivia used on wool textiles
>> (based on direct ethnographic analogy) and there were no grooves at the
>> base of the  the notch but the combs were ridiculously worn down. I've
>> attached a couple of pictures. I guess there are several ways to use such
>> combs which must depend on the type of loom (in this case probably a
>> back-strap loom) as opposed to what in Western China?
>>
>> Alice
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Kordula Gostencnik <kgosten at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> the threads should have cut grooves into the bone on the bottom of the
>>> denture - except for extremely soft wool, which would have left a highly
>>> polished surface; obviously there are no grooves. As for wear patterns with
>>> textile tools caused by friction, cf. the holes of weaving tablets in bone
>>> or wood, where permanent friction of the threads causes deep grooves. At
>>> the NESAT X conference in Copenhagen, an experimental textile expert showed
>>> us her antler weaving comb with completely worn dentures, but she
>>> experimented with hemp which is extremely coarse. Unfortunately her
>>> experiments remained unpublished.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Kordula
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-07-01 3:23 GMT+02:00 Elisabeth Ann Stone <elisabethastone at gmail.com
>>> >:
>>>
>>> I agree, of course, with Alice! There's no replacement for usewear
>>>> analysis.  However, split ribs have a number of documented uses in
>>>> ethnographic and archaeological contexts related to both textiles and
>>>> hide-working. What strikes me, however, is the size. Are there other
>>>> similar tools? Or tools with similar wear patterns? It's really very small
>>>> for weaving or for most kinds of hide-working. What else is going on at the
>>>> site? What are the small fauna present?  But, in the end, microscopic
>>>> analysis is the best way to get some insight.
>>>>
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Paul Stokes <escoffier1951 at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Dear YouYue,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it would work for textiles the second tooth down from
>>>>> the top as two fine points these would snag. I would suggest a pottery
>>>>> working tool, it would be worth looking at the ceramics to see if any have
>>>>> a combed decoration. The another suggestion it could be used on skins the
>>>>> teeth to remove the fat and flesh, the long sides to rub the skin to soften
>>>>> it. I use a short piece of cattle rib similar in size but not spilt for
>>>>> that purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Stokes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Friday, 20 June 2014, 17:06, youyue <youyue09 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello!
>>>>> Here is a bone tool from Xinjiang, China. Its date is about 500-100
>>>>> B.C.
>>>>> I think it is part of a rib.
>>>>> What does it for? Is it related to wool processing?
>>>>> I really appreciate your help!
>>>>>
>>>>> YouYue
>>>>> Department of History,
>>>>> Capital Normal University,
>>>>> China
>>>>> Mail:youyue09 at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>> MSC01-1040, Anthropology 1
>>>> University of New Mexico
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