[Bonetools] FW: Re: FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

Sun Mar 10 17:24:28 CET 2013

Dear S. O'Connor, dear Erik Farrell,

first : I forgot to tell that the break passing through three holes 
looks fresh/recent.

This break shows a what I would name "plexiform" bone, and that could 
open on Reptiles ; external/surface aspect lets me remember of certain 
aspects of marine tortoises - and I determined years and years ago a 
predynastic figurine as mde of crocodile bone - but so many years ago 
that I don't remember that well. It woulf be necessary for me to go back 
to the comparative material.
AND - please don't laugh - certain of these aspect are remembering of... 
human femur, for instance (I am thinking here of tibetan things).

For young people : a photograph, even a good one, is less rhan a quarter 
of what it is supposed to show in the mind of who shows it.

I am going to see sickles in the coptic section of the Egyptian 
Deparment of the Louvre Museum wednesday. I'll look fpr such bones, if any.

On the new series of views, the hole at the opposite (that one which is 
enlarged) shows a fine fluff.. = ? I prefer not to start the list of 
what I'd think it could be. First, to bring attention, before to give 
opinion/solution, etc.

Dont forget that piece is two objects.

Your's

Le 08/03/2013 18:12, S O'Connor a écrit :
> Further information from Erik
>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of
> York
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
> Archaeological Sciences
> Division of AGES,
> University of Bradford
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>
> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
> fax 01274 23 5210
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FARRELL E.R. [mailto:e.r.farrell at durham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 07 March 2013 22:04
> To: S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: FW: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>
> Dr. O'Connor,
>
> I'm going to try to address as much as I can in this, so it may be rather
> long. If you would prefer I start sending through the listserv directly,
> please let me know (if that's even possible). I hate to keep taking up your
> time forwarding emails around, but I do really appreciate it.
>
> With regard to information in the records I viewed today: there is still no
> context, and the date range has widened significantly. The current museum
> record had reference to a number corresponding to a 1957 acquisition with,
> for the most part, the date range I previously sent. Unfortunately that
> number is actually an auction lot number from the 1922 MacGregor auction,
> and the original accession is under a different reference. I have found that
> number, but the entire entry is 'ivory fragment, 6cm'. It's through a 1971
> acquisition from the Wellcome collection with completely unknown origin. It
> is listed as Egyptian, but the date range could be anything from Predynastic
> through to Islamic. There is no record of an excavation or any associated
> artefacts.
>
> I am going to try to track down the auction reference in the hopes it has at
> least some kind of contextual information. Fortunately Durham has a copy of
> the catalog which I can grab first thing tomorrow morning.
>
> I have also attached photos of the wear at greater magnification, as well as
> additional photos.
>
> I have some awareness of how thoroughly terrible a question this is to ask,
> but can anyone identify the type of bone from photos? I've had one person
> look at it and identify it as definitely bone rather than ivory, but
> indeterminate bone morphology and species. The museum record's
> identification as ivory has me in search of a third opinion. I can tell it's
> not elephantine ivory with some level of confidence, but unfortunately I
> wouldn't recognize hippo ivory if the hippo walked up and bit me personally.
>
>
> Attempting to address anything I have not previously:
>
> Dr. Ayalon,
>
> I should be able to take a look at your book on the Caesarea Maritima finds
> tomorrow as well which may clear up some of my questions. I am wondering
> with respect to the weaving tablet, are there examples with a linear row of
> holes? Most of the examples I can find seem to be square with the four
> corners pierced. I have found a couple irregularly shaped examples with more
> than 4 holes, but all seem to have a substantial center section with no
> holes.
>
>
>
> Dr. Ayalon and Dr. Riddler,
>
> The suggestion of a belt divider is very interesting. I will see what I can
> track down on belts worn in Egypt; hopefully I can find some similar
> example. Would either of you be willing to suggest how you think it might
> have been attached? I presume the strap of the belt would be attached at the
> worn hole, but how do you think the broken end might have functioned? If
> there was a ring through the final hole putting pressure on that might
> explain the nature of the break, but I am unsure what purpose the other
> holes might serve then. They could be ornamental, but they weaken the
> structure quite significantly for something functional like a strap.
>
>
> Dr. Poplin,
>
> Unfortunately there is no context or associated artefacts, as this object
> has come down through several different owners and originates in a late 19th
> century collection.
>
>
>
> Dr. Santander Pizarro,
>
> I realized the prior photos were not at the magnification you had asked for.
> I have taken new photos at 40x and attached them to this email. They are
> taken through a binocular microscope, so unfortunately the depth of field is
> not as good as it could be.
>
>
>
> Many thanks to everyone for their time and suggestions,
>
> Regards,
> Erik Farrell
>
>
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