[Bonetools] FW: Re: FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?

[Alice Choyke]

Actually - from the photo the bone looks a bit rib-like. DEFINITELY not
ivory of any kind  though. I wonder what elephantnt or giraffe cortical
bone looks like close to the epiphyses. Does anyone have close-up images of
elephant, hippo or giraffe bone that could be compared to the images we see
here? How thick is this object anyway?

And Erik -  I will be happy to put you on the Mailing List (and remove you
any time you desire) if you would like.

Alice

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM, S O'Connor <S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk> wrote:

> Further information from Erik
>
> Dr Sonia O'Connor PhD FSA FIIC ACR Honorary Visiting Fellow, University of
> York
> Post-doctoral Research Fellow
> Archaeological Sciences
> Division of AGES,
> University of Bradford
> Bradford, West Yorkshire, BD7 1DP, UK
>
> tel 01274 23 6498 (office) 5210 (lab)
> fax 01274 23 5210
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FARRELL E.R. [mailto:e.r.farrell at durham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 07 March 2013 22:04
> To: S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: FW: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
>
> Dr. O'Connor,
>
> I'm going to try to address as much as I can in this, so it may be rather
> long. If you would prefer I start sending through the listserv directly,
> please let me know (if that's even possible). I hate to keep taking up your
> time forwarding emails around, but I do really appreciate it.
>
> With regard to information in the records I viewed today: there is still no
> context, and the date range has widened significantly. The current museum
> record had reference to a number corresponding to a 1957 acquisition with,
> for the most part, the date range I previously sent. Unfortunately that
> number is actually an auction lot number from the 1922 MacGregor auction,
> and the original accession is under a different reference. I have found
> that
> number, but the entire entry is 'ivory fragment, 6cm'. It's through a 1971
> acquisition from the Wellcome collection with completely unknown origin. It
> is listed as Egyptian, but the date range could be anything from
> Predynastic
> through to Islamic. There is no record of an excavation or any associated
> artefacts.
>
> I am going to try to track down the auction reference in the hopes it has
> at
> least some kind of contextual information. Fortunately Durham has a copy of
> the catalog which I can grab first thing tomorrow morning.
>
> I have also attached photos of the wear at greater magnification, as well
> as
> additional photos.
>
> I have some awareness of how thoroughly terrible a question this is to ask,
> but can anyone identify the type of bone from photos? I've had one person
> look at it and identify it as definitely bone rather than ivory, but
> indeterminate bone morphology and species. The museum record's
> identification as ivory has me in search of a third opinion. I can tell
> it's
> not elephantine ivory with some level of confidence, but unfortunately I
> wouldn't recognize hippo ivory if the hippo walked up and bit me
> personally.
>
>
> Attempting to address anything I have not previously:
>
> Dr. Ayalon,
>
> I should be able to take a look at your book on the Caesarea Maritima finds
> tomorrow as well which may clear up some of my questions. I am wondering
> with respect to the weaving tablet, are there examples with a linear row of
> holes? Most of the examples I can find seem to be square with the four
> corners pierced. I have found a couple irregularly shaped examples with
> more
> than 4 holes, but all seem to have a substantial center section with no
> holes.
>
>
>
> Dr. Ayalon and Dr. Riddler,
>
> The suggestion of a belt divider is very interesting. I will see what I can
> track down on belts worn in Egypt; hopefully I can find some similar
> example. Would either of you be willing to suggest how you think it might
> have been attached? I presume the strap of the belt would be attached at
> the
> worn hole, but how do you think the broken end might have functioned? If
> there was a ring through the final hole putting pressure on that might
> explain the nature of the break, but I am unsure what purpose the other
> holes might serve then. They could be ornamental, but they weaken the
> structure quite significantly for something functional like a strap.
>
>
> Dr. Poplin,
>
> Unfortunately there is no context or associated artefacts, as this object
> has come down through several different owners and originates in a late
> 19th
> century collection.
>
>
>
> Dr. Santander Pizarro,
>
> I realized the prior photos were not at the magnification you had asked
> for.
> I have taken new photos at 40x and attached them to this email. They are
> taken through a binocular microscope, so unfortunately the depth of field
> is
> not as good as it could be.
>
>
>
> Many thanks to everyone for their time and suggestions,
>
> Regards,
> Erik Farrell
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: SA O'Connor [S.Oconnor at bradford.ac.uk]
> Sent: 07 March 2013 10:30
> To: FARRELL E.R.
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Bonetools] FW: Bone object - textile manufacture?
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